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Traps - Ground & Nestbox for House Sparrows and Starlings (Part 1)In addition to Messages that have appeared in the Bluebird Mailing Lists on this topic, the following are on the Audubon Society of Omaha website:
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 01:19:43 -0500 To the List, Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 16:35:04 -0500 So you probably have been asked this 20 min ago! I need sparrow traps, ready made, for a standard BB box. The ones the Martin folks have do not fit. Where do you buy them? Thanks... hurry. I know sparrows are terrible birds, but it still is more than I can stand to kill them... I'm not a bunny hugger type I was a zookeeper for 16 years. I transport them:) usually downtown where they can build somewhere other than houses.. How do you folks deal with "disposal"? Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:44:32 -0500 (EST) Hello newcomer,and welcome the the list. You ask where to obtain traps for in nest boxes. There are a couple of links on my web page on sparrow control. The one I recall is Real Bird Homes. You need to write and ask for traps to him. Many people on here don't like to discuss disposal of House sparrows but many deal with them by breaking their neck or twisting and pulling off heads. If there is a rehab center near you they may take the live birds as food for the injured animals they have. You may get other suggestions. Joe Huber Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe
Huber http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 17:57:08 -0500 I have read and practice the following: depress the chest with
your thumb and index finger, it is over in a few seconds. I
have no rehabilitation Bob Sitarski Hello newcomer,and welcome the the list. You ask where to obtain Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 19:30:42 -0500 Information on the Bolt Trap can be found at http://www.jennabird.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 21:23:54 EDT Never hurts to have more than one modus operandi, so... Since a HOSP released from a nestbox trap is most likely released into a bag, the bag can be whacked hard against a tree, wall, whatever. If done hard and with resolution, it's instantaneous. (Do be sure that your catch bag is reasonably sturdy, but even a plastic grocery bag is enough.) Rhonda Watts Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:12:53 -0500 (EST) Hello newcomer,and welcome the the list. You ask where to obtain traps for in nest boxes. There are a couple of links on my web page on sparrow control. The one I recall is Real Bird Homes. You need to write and ask for traps to him. Many people on here don't like to discuss disposal of House sparrows but many deal with them by breaking their neck or twisting and pulling off heads. If there is a rehab center near you they may take the live birds as food for the injured animals they have. You may get other suggestions. Joe Huber Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe
Huber http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:12:05 -0500 Ground traps have been a total failure for me. I have tried mirrors, captured HOSPs from nest boxes as decoys, HOSP nest building materials, lard covered popcorn and bread balls. I have placed the ground trap in a variety of locations including right below a nest box that a male HOSP had laid claim to. To date I have captured the following: 1 male EABL I give up..... I constantly monitor traps so all of the non-target birds were released no worse for wear. I give up Bob Sitarski Hello Linda and all,The proper use of ground bait traps for
sparrows can Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:51:17 -0600 Just out of curiosity, have you tried baiting your trap with
white proso millet seed? I've captured (and released) Juncos
and Chipping Sparrows Ann Wick Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 08:47:32 -0500 (EST) If you are not having any luck with ground trapping try this
type trap. Click on the PMCA catalog and scroll down one time
. The trap at left is their repeating trap that I refer to as
elevator trap. decoys live for longer time in this trap and
will draw other sparrows to it. Place it in the same place for
long periods of time. Make if level and cover the top with cardboard
or plywood to protect the birds and elevator arms. This trap
resets automatically after each catch. Use only cracked corn
or white millet as bait. The real bait is the decoys that get
others to the trap in the first place. all traps will catch
other species now and then so be sure to monitor closely daily.
Joe Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe
Huber http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:25:06 -0600 At 08:47 AM 3/14/01 -0500, you wrote: If you are not having any luck with ground trapping try this
type This is the trap I've had success with. When I cover it during rainy weather, I use a piece of plexiglass so the food and decoys are still easily visible. Kate Oschwald
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 10:27:22 -0600 At 10:12 PM 3/13/01 -0500, you wrote: Ground traps have been a total failure for me. I'm sorry to hear that. Many people, including myself, have successfully trapped many sparrows with ground traps, once a decoy is placed inside. To make it really attractive to the sparrows, the feed in the bait pan should be the ONLY feed source in the area. If there is a feeder nearby, they may ignore the bait. I use cracked corn or cheap birdseed in mine. Kate Oschwald
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 09:31:49 -0800 Portland, Oregon, USA Hey, Joe! Let's not be too absolute on the statement below, because I am not the only one who has caught HOSP in the trio trap using mirrors in the bait compartments (in addition to bait)...at least until live sparrows are captured to use. And it alsoat really helps is a place where the sparrows are accustomed to having treats set out for them. Joe Huber hubertrap"at"webtv.net 03/12 1:22 PM SNIP, Your bait trap or ground trap near by will not do the trick if it doesn't contain live sparrows as decoys. You must keep live sparrows in a bait trap to make it effective, This type trap can save you lots of time if decoys are kept in it at all times possible. You have a box with trap in it so you can work out a plan to capture the male sparrow in time If your bait trap is the ST-! trio you can place a little sparrow nest material in it to draw them to it. If they chose this material once they will like the looks of it and go for it. Only need a tiny amount of loose material. Good luck. Joe Huber Venice Fl. Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe
Huber http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:47:09 -0800 (PST) Hello all, The neighbors got the blues this year at my house, but I'll have several on my trail. Anyway, the Starlings are getting out of control here and I was wondering if the PMCA Repeating Bait Trap would work for them. If so, what would I use for bait. Well it was a warm 72 degrees here today, and sunny. I'll talk to you all later Koby Prater
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:26:26 -0500 (EST) Hi Koby, The PMCA repeating bait trap is designed for sparrows and ould not make a good trap for just Starling. You can catch a Starling now and then in them but not large numbers which would be needed to help the area. A box trap with a larger steel plate works but i slow to thin them out. The new compact trap is made for Starling. no bait is needed since its the cavity that attracts them. some old sparrow nest material in the bottom of a box trap makes them curious to enter. A couple of ST-1 traps placed on the ground under a suet feeder is a good location to trap them. winter season is best for this method. During spring they are attracted to nest box cavities so that is the easiest place to catch them. there are so many of them now that trapping seems of little benefit. Andy Troyers large 5ft x 5Ft trap can catch large numbers of them but it works best during winter with snow cover. You have to build these yourself from plans he sends you. Starling are tough to deal with so most people try to ignore them. Good luck. Joe Huber Venice, Fl. Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe
Huber http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:24:49 -0500 Kevin Bloom In response to Koby Prater's question about starlings getting trapped in a repeating bait trap, I have included a link that will prove that they do work for trapping starlings purposes. Maybe not for all people this works but apparently for this guy it did. I have included the link and you may want to take a look at it: http://forum.purplemartin.org/Archive/RBTstartrap.htm I also want to include that before I built a repeater this past week, I thought that the price of $50 was too much to pay for a trap. With the help of Joe Huber I was able to construct one of these in 3 days. It took over 20hrs. to build. Let me tell you what though, after all the frustration, cuts and punctures from the wires, it IS WELL WORTH THE FIFTY BUCKS! Although I won't probably ever buy one because I did enjoy building it. Never again will I say that $50 is too much to pay for a repeater trap!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:05:34 -0400 Hi all; We're in need a of an effective sparrow ground trap, and have narrowed it down to the Cedar Valley Live Trap and the "elevator" repeating Havahart mimic. Does anyone have a website where we can view a photo of the Cedar Valley Trap? Has anyone experimented with both types -- and if yes, which would they recommend? Cost is less a factor than just plain effectiveness. Thanks a bunch. Dot; eastern MA
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:11:52 -0400 Hello all, The question about a photo of the Cedar Valley trap. Don't know of it being on a web site, but it looks like the one here . Click on and scroll down once to view the trap on the left. this is the trap no matter who builds them Joe Huber Venice Fl.. Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe
Huber http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:01:26 -0500 Hello All, Newbie Again! I appreciate the responses to my question about HOSP in the martin gourds. So, can someone guide me to a site to purchase a trap, havahart or whatever anyone recommends. Where do you place the traps? I understand my local Heard Museum that rehabs raptors takes HOSPs as food for the raptors so I will call on that today. As for the Hubertrap attached to the bluebird box, I assume you set that up after the bluebird season? I have another couple actively building a nest now, in fact it appeared like two females and a male yesterday, is that weird? One gourd that the HOSP seems to have taken over, had a martin going in and out yesterday as well, the other gourd that they have inhabited I don't think the martins had built in. I cleaned that HOSP nest out on Sat. but it's going again. Thanks for all the help, Kyra
Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 23:09:20 -0400 Haleya Priest Amherst MA Just received this note about HOSP traps. Do any of you use them??? They look terrific. we both just ordered two. Will let list know. Was just informed of another HOSP trap made by the Van Ert brothers. I was so impressed after visiting their web site I ordered two to try out. They also have nest boxes and mealworm feeder and all seem reasonably priced: http://hometown.aol.com/fvanert/myhomepage/spartraps.htm
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:11:18 -0400 I'VE FOUND THE VAN ERT TRAP TO BE THE EASIEST TO USE OF ANY I'VE USED. DURING THE WINTER, I PUT THE TWO SCREWS INTO FRONT-OPENING BOXES AND LEAVE THEM THERE. WHEN I HAVE A NEED TO TRAP AT A PARTICULAR BOX, IT IS A MATTER OF SECONDS TO SLIP THE VAN ERT TRAP IN PLACE. DRAWBACK: DIFFICULT, IF NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO USE ON SIDE-OPENING BOXES, UNLESS YOU TAKE THEM APART TO INSTALL THE SCREWS. Randy Jones Haleya Priest Amherst MA Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:43:28 -0500 Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas Rogue sparrows: These tend to be a male sparrow that has failed to get a mate all spring. After singing at numerous boxes and sites to attract a mate they seem to begin getting desperate and will begin evicting birds in all nearby boxes and sometimes over a large area. These males are VERY easy to catch in a cage trap IF you have a female sparrow in the trap as a decoy! The larger area a male calls from the better chance of attracting a mate! House sparrows tend to nest in many poor locations like cute "bird houses" rain gutters eaves of house ETC. After every high wind and rain storm many lose their nest and go in search of a better nest site. Many female sparrows are stripped out of back yard nestboxes by cats, snakes, other predators, and males are left without a mate. Many people remove their nests around their yards as these tend to get messy. Many children cannot resist a nest of bird eggs they can reach! The strongest urge is to procreate for these birds! When forced by famine, oppression, disease or simply over crowding humans have spread out in waves from some countries and taken over new territory. This is a natural occurrence in nearly all forms of life on this planet to deal with over crowding or to prepare an area for expanding a particular species. Very few flowers can survive in a well manicured lawn due to constant mowing except the hardy dandelion. I personally like the dandelion for this very fact. House Sparrows are the dandelion of our cavity nesters! If you have too many, then thin them out but there is no need to hate them for blowing into your trail with the next wind! I'll bet if you tried to grow ONLY dandelions in your yard you could not do it! There would be a constant battle against disease and grass would continually invade and in the end you would end up with both existing side by side with more or less a constant supply of dandelions. KK Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:19:43 -0400 Haleya Priest Amherst MA KK, thanks for the tip about the ST-1. What a perfect solution. Will get friend to use. You are right, since he's looking for a mate, we'll just have to find one for him!! ;-) About Van Ert Traps - thanks - I emailed the fellow and he seems very kind and thoughtful. However, I want to add that I am VERY excited by the Gilbertson trap he offers as I don't have one - but my vote still goes for the Bolt Trap for a normal box - in that the HOSP is caught right in a trap in the box so don't need all the plastic bags, etc...... :-) However, the box trap also looks exceptional. :-) I believe Joe Huber should be happy to see how his original design has been tweaked to keep creating these other wonderful traps from HIS original design and I think we all need to give him a standing ovation!!!!!!!! He is the GRAND DADDY of the HOSP trap. :-) H Keith & Sandy Kridler wrote: Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas ... Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 10:41:17 -0500 Regarding Haleya's question, this is an EXCELLENT trap. I saw one at Keith Kridler's house. I have a Stokes nestbox that has a ventilation slot above the entrance hole and the top of a Huber type trap would have shown, letting the birds know something was amiss. Keith showed me his Van Ert trap, and I ordered two when I got home. They are very easy to install and use, and come with excellent instructions. Kate Oschwald Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 10:41:29 -0500 I have successfully installed and used my Van Ert trap in my side-opening boxes, but I had already altered the boxes so the hinge was higher. Some of the ones I purchased in the past had the hinge screws too low and if you opened them with a nest inside, the part above the hinge came down too close to the nest. It also depends on how wide the box is. Kate Oschwald Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 12:13:07 -0500 With permission, I am posting a Message I received in regards to problems this bluebirder was having on her trail. She had indicated she was having trouble with house sparrows and requested information about sparrow traps. I recommended a Gilbertson Universal Sparrow Trap. Here is her Message. Jim McLochlin The Audubon Society of Omaha = http://audubon-omaha.org/ -----Original Message----- received my traps within 12hrs caught 3 sets plus 1 male he
chose to enter house before her. waiting for her to enter before
removing that nest of eggs. Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 08:01:45 -0500 Where can I purchase sparrow traps and pole baffles? Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:58:56 -0400 Anne, For sparrow ground nestbox traps: http://purplemartin.org/shop/Traps1.html For a Huber Trap: http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL For a Pole Baffle: http://audubon-omaha.org/bbbox/nabs/rk1.htm You can also purchase a pole guard from the purple martin site listed above. Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- Where can I purchase sparrow traps and pole baffles? Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 15:48:19 -0400 New to your group. Had my 1st EABL nest with 5 eggs. Nestlings got to 18th day after hatching when sparrows found them. 4 left prematurely and 1 did not make it. I was very distressed for "my birds". I now understand all the postings about sparrows! I am determined to try again! Wondering if anyone has ordered the Bolt Trap from Jenna Bird's website (jennabird.com)? Also, any comments regarding which are good nesting boxes and where to purchase them? Thanks! Nancy Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:26:07 -0500 At 08:01 AM 6/6/01 -0500, you wrote: You can purchase an EXCELLENT sparrow trap from Van Ert Enterprises at http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/fvanert/myhomepage/index.html Kate Oschwald Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:32:41 -0500 Bolt TrapNancy, I can highly recommend the Bolt Trap from Jenna. Jenna Bird also sells excellent BB houses that are reasonably priced, well-made and well easily accomodate the traps. Side opening boxes will not work, and top opening are best. Also, it is easy to identify the bird that you have captured. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- New to your group. Had my 1st EABL nest with 5 eggs. Nestlings got to 18th day after hatching when sparrows found them. 4 left prematurely and 1 did not make it. I was very distressed for "my birds". I now understand all the postings about sparrows! I am determined to try again! Wondering if anyone has ordered the Bolt Trap from Jenna Bird's website (jennabird.com)? Also, any comments regarding which are good nesting boxes and where to purchase them? Thanks! Nancy
From: "Jacque Turner" turner"at"texasisp.com Today's the day! Mr. & Mrs. Sparrow claimed a box on my new trail, (a box where I spotted my first EABL singing his little heart out over!) so I'm waging war against them. How dare they! The more I read about the HOSP, the more I want to make it my mission to eradicate them. What in the world are we thinking being squeamish about taking these "unwanteds & unwelcomed" out? I'm on the hunt right now for traps. Any immediate suggestions would be appreciated! Can you actually order this Huber trap from anywhere, or do you just have to make it yourself? I've checked out several different types of traps on the internet and will probably try a couple of different types of traps. We have a barn on our place where HOSP congregate and I want to set up "sparrow shop" there - so I'm in the market for something like that 8120 Repeating Sparrow Trap or the Tom501. I purposely did not place any bluebird boxes anywhere near the barn, but still the HOSPs show up. I have an old ST-Dual Compartment Trap that my husband's grandmother used at her bird feeder. She'd reach in the trap, grab the sparrow and yank his head off! Her cat never bothered the songbirds because he knew at least one tasty little sparrow was coming his way every day anyway! Probably got sick of the taste of HOSP. So today I'm putting a bounty on the nasty little HOSPs that enter the fly zone of the Turner property. I may be squeamish "killing" birds the first few times, but I'll get over it. People, we have to! We should hold a contest this 2002 breeding season. Who can take out the most HOSPs? Would this not be some important information in the study of bluebirds, as to the direct correlation between how many HOSPs are killed vs. how many bluebirds are saved and fledged on any given trail? Jacque Turner From: EHDerry"at"aol.com Jackie: Presently I only have two bluebird boxes in my yard - one is for the blues and the other to trap the HOSPS with a Huber trap. I purchased my Huber trap last summer thru the Purple Martin Conservation Association at Edinboro University in Edinboro, PA. It works great, it came quickly after I ordered it. They can be reached at www.purplemartin.org. It is $9.95 in their latest catalog. The shipping is $3.00. They also have ground sparrow traps and repeating traps. Good Luck! I like yoour contest idea. By the way, I have had very good luck in using the monofilament line in detering the HOSPS from my "blues" box. the link to the arrangement of the line is: A HREF="http://bluebird.htmlplanet.com/larry.htm"Larry's arrangement for hanging monofilament line/A Judy From: "Pauline, Mountain City TX" bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com I've had the most success with the Van Ert Universal Trap (see Bluebird Monitor's Guide and http://www.vanerttraps.com/spartraps.htm). Just yesterday I missed getting the House Sparrow that destroyed Bewick's wrens eggs on my back deck because the bar was tripped before the sparrow got in. The street smart House Sparrow did not return. Van Ert traps are available for $7.00 plus postage. No postage when 6 or more are ordered. See traps and ordering information on the website. And, Jacque, in my part of Texas the monofilament line worked
for about two weeks. Then the House Sparrows nested - in more
than one box.20 Pauline Tom, Mountain City (no mountains) TX ... From: "Randy Jones" randyj"at"enter.net I've tried a lot of traps, and found the Van Ert trap to be the best in-house trap so far. Unfortunately, my computer went down and took my address list with it. Perhaps someone else on the listserve can post information. Van Ert has an Email address and is good about responding. Randy Jones ... Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:39:54 -0800 (PST) Below is the link to the Van Ert site. Lots of good information! Evelyn --- Randy Jones randyj"at"enter.net wrote: ... From: "Norrie Franko" nfranko"at"vaxxine.com Hi All, Glenn and I spent the weekend putting up boxes and more feeders. Glenn's latest invention to deter sparrows is very clever and a big step up from last year's kite string tied to a pin on the box which released a flap that closed over the bluebird house hole trapping the sparrow inside. This year's version had gone high tech- no more kite strings all over the lawn! They would probably blow away here anyway, it is very windy. This year Glenn has hooked up the flap to an electro magnet. When I see a sparrow enter the box I just push the button and the flap closes. MUCH quicker and tidier than kite strings! We have two more boxes to wire up - the proto type works great and I can use it from inside the house. Look out sparrows we mean business this year. Now all we need is Spring and some birds to come this far North. Hoping for blues! Norrie Dunnville, ON 42.8445 N 79.6098 W From: "Mandy Hils" ahils"at"insightbb.com Hi everyone, Once again I need trap advice. I have a box that I was able to successfully trap and rid of male and female hosp. No sooner were they gone and another pair showed up. They have been showing interest for two days, and have some nesting material inside. Last night I went out and installed my new Van-ert trap and now they won't enter. My question is this: Will they eventually get used to the sight of the black trip bar, or should I go out and remove the trap and let them continue building for another day or two then try again? Thanks, From: "Mandy Hils" ahils"at"insightbb.com well....no sooner did I hit send on my last post and the trap was tripped by the female. So now I have another question. Will a female hosp work in the bait trap as a lure, or is it only males? Thanks again. Mandy Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 06:27:45 -0800 (PST) Hello all, HOSP continue to surround the ground trap every morning, I counted 8 HOSP and a red bellied woodpecker today. None of the HOSP entered the trap. Much of my frustration is twofold; first I do not have the time to monitor my nestbox traps and second, EABL investigate the nestbox as soon as I go near one of the boxes. Bottomline is that I can not monitor the trap as I should on my small nestbox trail; so I rarely leave the trap up for fear of trapping a non-target bird. I need to reduce both the Starling and HOSP population quickly
as they are everywhere. The only success I have had thus far
is to attract large numbers of the birds to a rather confined
area. I have mentioned that I am considering more drastic measures....
I will notify my only neighbor that the early morning silence
will be abruptly broken in the very near future. I don't see
where I have any other choice Have a good day Bob Sitarski a.k.a The Doctor Jackson County Indiana ( 385244N 086023W ) & Clay County Illinois ( 384008N 0882908W ) From: "Randy Jones" randyj"at"enter.net I've found that the female works fine, maybe better than the male. Randy Jones ----- Original Message ----- ... To: bluebird-l"at"cornell.edu (BLUEBIRD-L) On Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:22:31 -0500 "Mandy Hils" ahils"at"insightbb.com ... Yes, use her trap the male. Maynard Sumner Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. From: "Randy Jones" randyj"at"enter.net Mandy, the black trip bar should not show when set. You may have it set too high. The hole should look exactly like any other entry to a nestbox. They trip it when they hop down into the box from the opening. However, sparrows (especially the male) are notoriously clever, and once burned, twice shy. Many have reported it almost impossible to capture a male sparrow after an initial failure. Removing the van Ert trap for a while should not make a difference, in my opinion. I'd stay with it, being careful not to trap others of your birds, or if you do, being quick to release them. Randy Jones Hi everyone, ... Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:32:19 -0500 The warning is: House Sparrows can escape from it! I'm talking about the PMCA new all wire version Repeating Bait Trap(RBT). After wiring the trap mechanism in place and baiting for about a week I cut the wire yesterday ready for catching. Saturday morning the trap contained one male HOSP. I also caught a male in a Peterson box using a Van Ert trap so he was also placed in the bait trap. A couple of hours later they both were gone. Impossible! I thought. The door was pad-locked. It turns out that there is a gap between the pivoting trap chamber the the bait chamber and the front of the trap. And it certainly looks like a HOSP could squeeze through. Apparently two of them did. After catching another male in the Peterson (same male?) before placing him in the RBT, I clipped his wings. This is what I will do to all HOSP's caught or placed in the RBT. Tracy Powell "Nothing spurs one's inspiration more than necessity..." Gioachino Rossini From: TomGaryH"at"aol.com Cameron, Check out the following internet page: http://forum.purplemartin.org/newpage4.htm There you will learn how to build an automatic repeating trap that would be quieter than shooting the starlings, and the trap will catch the starlings that you don't see when you are away from your observation point. Tom Heintzelman From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas They either abandon the nestbox or get used to the idea of hopping down over this black ledge and are VERY easy to now trap. A pair of House Sparrows actually abandoned their eggs this week after I installed the fake trap and a pair of bluebirds removed their eggs and have built a nest over the sparrow nest. This abandonment will only work if you are trapping the birds and they get wary of the trap! This will NOT prevent another pair of sparrows from moving in that has not been exposed to trapping! Although I prefer you to permanently remove these birds from the breeding population, or trim some (5 or 6) primary flight feathers off of each wing to prevent their nesting this year or keep them in a cage all summer I do think for small populations of sparrows you might be able to "train" a problem bird to avoid this trap or fake trap in the near future. You could mark this trapped bird before releasing it by trimming one or two feathers and see if it will return to try to nest in a box with a trap or fake trap installed. House Sparrows are a LOT smarter than we tend to give them credit for! KK Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:48:38 -0400 Haleya Priest Amherst MA What frightens me is that even AFTER the male has been trapped other HOSP can avoid the trap. It is as IF THEY SOMEHOW JUST KNOW that the box is dangerous..... What about VARYING traps???? There is the Bolt in-box trap which is EXCELLENT, and there is also the No-Touch trap. Could also paint the traps different colors. I also move my trap boxes around. If the same trapbox is in the same location sooner or later it is avoided. I am also experimenting with stuffing grasses way down inside the box or trap so they have to deep IN THE BOX to remove grasses, etc and then are more likely to trip the mechanism. If I just put grass in the hole they are more likely to just pull the grass out and not enter. Can also put up different KINDS of boxes with traps in them - so as many things are NEW about the box, trap, etc. :-) H Keith & Sandy Kridler wrote: Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas ... From: "Pauline, Mountain City TX" bluebirds"at"austin.rr.com Recently Black-crested Titmice built a nest almost immediately after I switched to a different style box on my front lawn. Yesterday the eggs were destroyed by a House Sparrow. I seldom see House Sparrows at my place, but it only takes one. Even with several identical empty boxes available nearby, he entered and pecked the eggs and tossed them out. Fortunately, he "bonded" with the site and I was able to trap him and his mate with Van Ert trap. After losing some trapped House Sparrows I was using as decoys in a large trap last week (apparently someone released them) I've started trimming the primaries as I take a trapped House Sparrow from a nestbox. Good thing I'm trimming primaries because Mr. Sparrow managed to hop straight up and out of a ground trap later in the day! Another good thing is that I have two other nestboxes on my (less than one-acre) lawn full of Black-Crested Titmice nestlings. A gourd has Bewick's Wrens. A brilliant male Summer Tanager was here yesterday. Painted Buntings are due back this week! Pauline Tom From: "Randy Jones" randyj"at"enter.net I was chagrined to note that a sparrow could still fly after I trimmed both wings. I began trimming only one to throw his balance off. Randy Jones ... From: "Elaine Whitworth" visionfarm"at"earthlink.net Ordered 3 bolt sparrow traps from Jenna bird and set them yesterday evening. Great results. Money well spent. We caught two females and a nasty male this morning that has been constantly harassing my BB pairs every morning. I'm much more comfortable with the traps than the shotgun. Even more good news...first BB egg laid this morning. Two other BB nests on trail but no eggs in those yet. Elaine nw tn 36.13n, -89.02w, line of zone 6&7 ----- Original Message ----- Hi cj and all, It is ... From: Jgandy8580"at"aol.com A couple of days after trapping the HOSP at house #1, I decided to remove the EABB nest from house #2, where presumably the house wren had removed the 3 eggs. If it was the wrens, they had made no effort to use the box themselves. So yesterday I made the house neat and clean again and who showed up but another male HOSP. I installed the trap in that house immediately and this AM while mowing the lawn I saw the trap was sprung. The only downside is that, while the EABBs are still here and dining heartily on mealworms and dried fruit, they have made no attempt at starting a new nest. I imagine they are wary about both houses now. Meanwhile, I now have 3 traps for use in 6 houses, so bring on the HOSPs. From: Jgandy8580"at"aol.com Got rid of male HOSP at box #2 yesterday about 10 AM. Worked
in yard all morning and only activity at boxes was female EABB
starting nest building over again at #1. Returned from running
errands at 3 PM and there was a male HOSP at #2. Oh well, the
trap is back in the box. It's deja vu all over From: Jgandy8580"at"aol.com 3 PM - male HOSP on box From: "Elaine Whitworth" visionfarm"at"earthlink.net Aren't the traps great! I put 2 traps out Saturday evening,
and have caught 3 male HOSP and 2 female HOSP. And even better
news...Out of my six BB houses there are 4 BB eggs in one nest,
and 2 in another, one BB nest still empty. Two other houses
have HOSP traps. Will put out my third trap in a day or so when
the HOSP get a bit more done on their nest. I'm so excited! ... Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Hi all, I have been using ground traps to catch HOSP. The ground traps are made by Mr. Bruce Jenkins who is a member of this list. As strange as the traps look they do seem to work. I believe that if I could keep the stray cats away from the traps when there is a bird trapped inside that the traps would be much more effective. I am experimenting with curtains around the traps to hide the trapped birds from view. The traps were very effective in the Spring in trapping HOSP however, they have become less effective for the past 4 weeks. It seems that in nicer weather the HOSP don't enter the trap. On stormy/rainy/windy days however, 2 or sometimes 3 HOSP are trapped very quickly before they cats move in on the traps The cats prevent me from using decoys which supposedly make the traps even more effective. This is not a sales pitch; I don't know Mr. Jenkins other than
I have two of his traps... check the trap out for yourself at
http://groups.msn.com/RojosRoost/_whatsnew.msnw?pgmarketen-us
I really think that these traps would work very well in the
right situation especially in inclimate weather Have a good day Bob Sitarski a.k.a The Doctor Jackson County Indiana ( 385244N 086023W ) & Clay County Illinois ( 384008N 0882908W ) From: "carol fitzpatrick" gdfitzmich"at"msn.com We are in the process of making Huber-type sparrow trap boxes that will exclude bluebirds and tree swallows. What is the smallest size hole that a house sparrow can enter--1 1/4 inch? We have had good luck trapping many sparrows with 1 3/8" holes and have not accidently trapped a blue or tree swallow yet, but we are making more trap boxes and would like to push the sparrows just a bit more. Has anyone ever had a bluebird enter through a 1 3/8" hole? The smaller holes will of course not exclude birds such as wrens and chickadees but it will at least not admit BBs and TRES. We are thinking about drilling a 1'' exit hole in the bottom of the box in case a wren happens to wander in. The habitat is open and rolling, more for blues than for chickadees, wrens, titmouse, and nuthatches. By the way, thanks to Joe Huber for his sparrow trap and other ideas that have helped bluebirds. Haven't heard from him lately on Bluebird L...Joe are you still out there? ******Also, nest box monitors are very much needed in Oakland County, southeastern Michigan in 3 north county parks, Independence Oaks, Orion Oaks, and Addison Oaks. If there is ANYBODY able to help us out please call Stacey at (248)625-6473.***** One last question...how do I get these3D3D3D (equal) signs off mypostings? It's making them hard to read!!! I tried to find info on changing from HTML to plain text but couldn't find info on my computer. It's probably something simple but I'm basically computer illiterate. Thanks, Carol Fitz Oxford, Michigan Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:34:57 -0700 Linda Violett - Yorba Linda, Calif. In answer to your question on the smallest hole a house sparrow
can On my mountain trail I added several boxes with 1.25" holes designed for mountain chickadees and the pygmy nuthatches. House sparrows took a box with pygmy nuthatches, one with tree swallows and two vacant boxes--all with 1.25" holes. I will be adding 1 & 1/8" hole guards to some of these boxes over the winter. From: "carol fitzpatrick" gdfitzmich"at"msn.com Paul, Incidentally, we have been thinking about drilling a 1" exit hole in the corner of the bottom to allow a wren to escape just in case one accidentally goes in but haven't done that on the boxes yet. This 1" hole in the bottom would still keep the sparrow trapped. We believe that the sparrow would enter at the normal point in the front of the box where of course it would find the trap door. In any case, it will be a good ventilation hole. Just an idea for any of you to ponder in case you have sparrow problems and BB boxes in wren habitat (not that I like wrens but I guess they are a protected species). Anyway, we make our own Huber-style trap mechanisms and install them inside the side-opening nest box. We take the trap box with its 1 & 1/4" hole cover and by using drywall screws, we "piggy-back" the box right up against the nest box that the sparrows are using, making sure we cover their entry hole up so they can't get to their eggs/babies. Only they don't know that. They actually enter the trap box not knowing what awaits them apparently thinking it's the way to their nest. So what it looks like is two nest boxes attached to each other on the pole. Then we take a large plastic bag, cover the trap box, unscrew the door, the sparrow flies out and is quickly eliminated. We have found that it works best to set the traps at around 7:00 p.m. Sometimes we can't make it back to check the traps until the next day. With the long summer days it gives the sparrow the opportunity to go into the box either that evening or the next morning and allows us to work out of the heat of the day when little activity seems to occur. If anyone is concerned about the humane aspect of leaving a bird in the trap box so long, we have not had one die in the box due to the hot weather. If it's trapped in the evening, it is cooler and the same goes for the following morning. Awaiting the sparrow, the trap can stay open for a longer period of time without us having to stand there watching it thereby increasing the chances of catching the sparrow. When you have a lot of sparrows to trap this can work to your advantage. It's time consuming to trap one at a time but the in-the-box trap mechanism is pretty reliable. With 4 trap boxes used at different sites within the park we trapped at l east 20 sparrows at Independence Oaks County Park within a week's time us ing this method. There was not one incident of a sparrow going on a ramp age against the BB's or TRES that were nesting next to it. They seem to be confused about the new configuration of their nest box but not angry and their instinct makes them check on their eggs/babies. The piggy-backed trap box was basically in the same place as their nest box and they apparently couldn't tell the difference. I like this method because you don't have to exert the extra effort of ta king down the box that the sparrow nest is actually in and replacing it with a trap box. I like the idea of not having to worry about trapping bluebirds and tree swallows. So far it's working good for us. And we know that HOSP can attack and kill BB's or TRES nesting next to them at anytime without warning so it's worth taking the chance. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about what we are doing up h ere in Michigan! If it's still unclear and you're still interested, let me know. Carol Fitz Oxford, Michigan From: paul kilduff Off list reply: Carol, this sounds good, but I wish I had a mental picture
of what you're saying. I understand the 1-1/4" hole idea,
but don't quite know what you 're attaching to the box with
the Huber trap attached. If you could expand I 'd appreciate
it. There may be others on the list who are also puzzled.... ... From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas One real advantage of using this "add on" trap box is that you can peek in and see if you have trapped the right bird and if so remove the entire nestbox to clean it out at another location especially if this is in a busy park setting. KK Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 08:42:02 -0400 From: "Bruce & Linda Jenkins" ljenkins1"at"cox-internet.com Hello everyone. First I would like to thank everyone one of
you who purchased a Sparrow trap from me in the last couple
years. Thanks to the NABS and you B.B. folks I have been able
to stay home with my kids and better support my wife's computer
career. THANK YOU! This year I would like to announce two things... Again thank and God Bless you all Bruce Jenkins New site
http://groups.msn.com/WildbirdsandBiosecurity Direct order site
http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/rojo1/trap.html Special offer Send or mention this email when you purchase a B.J. Sparrow Trap extension for $17.00 and I will ship it free. Offer expires 2/15/03 From: "Keith & Sandy Kridler" kridler"at"1starnet.com Keith Kridler Mt. Pleasant, Texas About 7 miles into the trip I got up to about 70 MPH and watched in the rear view mirror as Jenkins house Sparrow trap blew out of the truck and bounced and rolled down the four lane highway. Unlike most other traps that have delicate operating systems this trap was NOT harmed by the accident in any way! All bait traps work better with decoys. Bigger holding cages are better for keeping the decoys alive longer and more comfortable for them. KK From: "Chris Turnbow" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com I rescued 4 Bluebirds from my starling trap today. They are
constantly getting into it - average 2 or 3 a day. Can this
harm the BBs (they flutter around in there trying to get out)
or in any way discourage the BBs from coming to my feeders and
yard. Please help! From: DottyRogers"at"netscape.net Hi Talia: Could you describe your starling trap and the bait, if any, that you're using. Also its location. Dot From: "Chris Turnbow" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com I'm using the 503 Tomahawk starling / blackbird trap. Two entrances to the trap at either end taper down, and the birds can't figure out how to get out again. At least the BBs don't -- the starlings and blackbirds often do, so I have to deal with them rather quickly. Any help you can give me, I would appreciate. I am worried that my BBs will hurt themselves fluttering around in the trap, or that getting caught in it will discourage them from coming to my yard and my feeders. Can anyone help here! Sure would like to know. Thanks so much! From: "PTom" ptom"at"austin.rr.com The bottom line on this email is a reminder to check in-box House Sparrow traps about once an hour even on cool days and even when you're "sure" to only trap a House Sparrow. I have endeavored for several years to bring bluebirds to the area out from my city with the hope of someday having a population in Mountain City (a residential city between Austin & San Marcos in South Central Texas) that will spread out over Central Texas. During the past few weeks there have been several sightings
of bluebirds on & near nestboxes in Mountain City (I've
encouraged residents to install them During the past two weeks I've begun trapping House Sparrows that are claiming nestboxes in the vicinity. This morning a House Sparrow was sitting on a front lawn nestbox down the street. I set a Van Ert trap, came back a couple hours later & it was tripped without a bird in the box. (That's a first.) So, I reset the trap at 2:00 & went back home. The afternoon was gorgeous - very pleasant. When I checked at 6:00 the trap was tripped again. I put a fine mesh 5-gallon paint strainer over the nestbox & opened the door. Nothing happened. I shook the box, knowing that sometimes the House Sparrow hides. It seemed it was empty. I reached my hand in and took hold of the bird. The bird made a different noise. Bluebird friends, you will not believe this. In my hand there was a bluebird in the bag. We have not yet had a bluebird nest in Mountain City and I trapped a bluebird with a House Sparrow trap!!!!!! I released the bluebird unharmed. He flew off and began singing. And I went off with the realization that the long longed-for bluebird might have been in that nestbox for 4 hours. (He might have been in there 4 minutes; there's no way to know.) The Message hit home hard. Even on cool comfortable days and even when you're "sure" to trap only a House Sparrow, check the trap every hour. Pauline Tom From: "Chris Turnbow" cturnbow"at"midsouth.rr.com I have had no luck with my Tomahawk Starling trap; these birds are just too smart to be trapped. I think we have succeeded in trapping the dumb ones, so that over time, the entire species has become smarter. The smart ones don't get trapped, so they live to have babies, producing smarter babies. Talia From: Brucemac1"at"aol.com In a Message dated 02/20/2003 11:31:55 AM Eastern Standard
Time, Subj: Starling evolution Bruce Macdonald SW Ontario ... Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 13:53:52 -0800 Dear Talia and friends, Yes, you are right about smarting up these exotic pests. Still try moving your trap to other locations or removing it completely for a few days (as some others on Bluebird L have suggested), but we are entering a new season in birding and that is the nesting season. This is the time when bait traps may not work as well as cavity nesting traps (i.e. Huber Traps, S&S Controller, NB Compact Trap and my Starling Hotel to name a few) do in my opinion, so you should consider using both bait and cavity nesting traps if you really want to control these pests. Already I'm seeing a shift out here towards cavity nesting traps (having just trapped 3 Starlings this week in one of my cavity nest traps) and the nesting season hasn't even kicked in yet. Starlings generally claim cavities in advance of the migratory birds, hence the name "The Silent Killers" that they have been given by some as our native birds can not breed because of the shortage of available cavities nesting sites. Some of you have asked me for plans to my Starling Hotel, but alas I've just been to busy to sit down to put it all on paper so hopeful some day soon. What I can tell you is that my Starling Hotel Trap is based on 2 designs (the S&S Controller and the Glenn Davis NB Compact Trap) and I utilized the best features of these 2 designs and added some of my own ingenuity to make them more productive in trapping exotic pests in a more industrial manor. Check out the NB Compact Trap http://forum.purplemartin.org/newpage4.htm as it is good place to start as I did 2 years ago. The thing I like about the Glenn Davis design (NB Compact Trap) is the flat roof, The S&S Controller is a good trap too, but it has a pitched roof and you will need a cross perch that goes through the roof for the Starlings to land on so they can get into the trap. The flat roof just makes it easy for more birds to land and thus get trapped. I would suggest using 1/2 plywood (not the thin 1/4 inch that Glenn used) and you will need to check your measurements on the coffee can as sizes have changed over the years. One other very important thing about these traps is that you absolutely have to MONITOR AND MONITOR AND MONITOR these traps everyday as you run the risk of trapping the natives too. Because the birds are trap alive and unharmed you can release the native and humanly dispose of the exotics. Just read Glenn's page and he covers the do's and don't. In short, give it a go and if you need some help, shoot me a e-mail and I'll try and make sometime for you. Happy Bluebird Trails To You, Chris Turnbow wrote: I have had no luck with my Tomahawk Starling trap; these birds are ... From: klubea"at"comcast.net Who makes the easiest to use sparrow trap to put in a box house.
I looked at most traps Van ert etc. Looking to trap it not kill
it.Would like a site i can order online with. Seems most of
these places you have to call?? Also Don't PVC bluebird houses
get to warm in the summer. I live in the east and its been very
hot in the summer. From: hubertrap"at"webtv.net (Joe Huber) Hi, The easiest trap to put in a box seems to be in the eye of the beholder. My built in trap,which you have to build yourself requires very little effort to set since most parts are already built right on the front board by the entrance hole. Check it out on the web page below Joe Huber, Venice Fl. Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe Huber hubertrap"at"webtv.net http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL
http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds 27.1171494 N Lo -82.4124222 W From: klubea"at"comcast.net ... Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:12:52 -0600 By far I have found the Van Ert traps the easiest to install and use. Kate Arnold At 10:42 AM 3/9/03 -0500, klubea"at"comcast.net wrote: ... From: hubertrap"at"webtv.net (Joe Huber) Hi, Yes using one trap built on 1/4" ply put in any box when needed has been used by many people with success, in fact that is how the trap was first started before I learned a way to use it built in. This isn't as easy as a built in but will do the job in most cases. Joe Huber, venice, fl. Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe Huber hubertrap"at"webtv.net http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL
http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds 27.1171494 N Lo -82.4124222 W I attached a huber trap to a piece of thin plywood,thinking I could move it from box to box when needed(I planned on using a portable cordless drill to install it in any box.) I dont know if this works-haven't actually used it yet. Probably Joe or someone will answer your question before this even gets posted.David Calhoun Louisville,Ky. From: "Bill Darnell" bdarnel3"at"bellsouth.net More than likely, Joe, it isn't used much because it is simple, and costs almost nothing! Your trap can be made easily adaptable to front and side opening boxes, and I use one and move it from box to box. I think you did the anti-mouse bird world a great service with this trap! Bill TN Subject: Re: Sparrow trapping trick Hi All, The feather idea is a very cleaver idea,but I had long
ago From: "Nancy C. Hebb" Fencroft"at"msn.com What's the consensus on ground traps for house sparrows? N. Hebb From: hubertrap"at"webtv.net (Joe Huber) hi Nancy and all, There is one worthy ground trap it is automatically reset after each bird enters. These type traps work best only if live HOSP are kept in them as decoys, Cracked corn is good for bait, you don't really need all that white bread as bait. You can get these from the Purple Martin conservation association in Edinburo Pa. They run about 39:00 each. You can catch many in these traps,usually before you see any in your yard. In Ohio I nursed decoys all summer and never had to clean out a martin house, plus many were caught before becoming a problem at Bluebird boxes. The ST-1 metal trap catches some but decoys don't live long in them. Joe Huber Venice, Fl. Charter member NABS, Charter member OBS, Life member OBS Joe Huber hubertrap"at"webtv.net http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/HOUSESPARROWCONTROL
http://community.webtv.net/hubertrap/RoostingBluebirds 27.1171494 N Lo -82.4124222 W ... Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2003 09:15:21 -0500 Another approach for those with Van Ert traps is to paint the trap with a color to approximate the inside of the nestbox--with us adding more ventilation to nestboxes, more light can come in, and I have suspected at times they could see the black contrasting against the nest materials. I also remove the red spot which makes it easier for the monitor to see the trap has been tripped--the sparrow might be able to see it too! Kate Arnold At 02:30 PM 4/4/03 -0500, you wrote: ... Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Hey all, I have tried several types of ground traps. Since
I am a tinkerer I have built and/or revised many of them myself.
I am now building a modified Starling trap. I have not found
a ground trap that works any better than another for catching
HOSP and I have tried several different kinds. However, I can
recommend a ground trap based on the following criteria: 1.)
Extremely simple to use2.) Traps very few non-target birds3.)
once a day monitoring is sufficient4.) no harm to the bird while
it is trapped The trap is made by Bruce and Linda Jenkins who
are members of this list. I think their website is as follows:
http://groups.msn.com/WildbirdsandBiosecurity For
bait I use white and yellow milo seed first. second is white
bread and thirdly, I place feathers and other nesting materials
in the trap. The only non-target bird that I have ever caught
in the trap were about a dozen House finches. All house finches
were released no worse for wear. The trapped bird is just a
bird in a large cage. It took some time to begin trapping HOSP
but when it works a half dozen per day three times a week is
not uncommon. Just prior to a storm front moving or when a lot
of HOSP just fledge are big times for trapping. I only occasionally
relocate the traps. I also put plywood under the trap so the
milo doesn't end up on the ground and grow. If the HOSP has
other food supplies nearby then any trap baited with seed may
not be the way to go. Eyes wide open; always hoping for the sun Bob Sitarski a.k.a The Doctor Jackson County Indiana ( 38.5244N 86.023W ) & Clay County Illinois ( 38.4008N 88.2908W ) From: "Anne-Marie Palermino" ampalermino"at"msn.com I have a problem with starlings and would like to get ride of them. Reading all the recent posts, it sounds like it will help my wood peckers ( I had northern flickers in the winter and I have on a regular basis a pair of red belly woodpecker). What is the best trap to catch them. I prefer ground traps since they are easier to set up. Thank you in advance. PS: ON FRIDAY, MS. BLUE LAID HER FIRST EGG! From: "Bill Darnell" bdarnel3"at"bellsouth.net Anne-Marie, the baited traps don't work very well in this season. Starlings and Sparrows are looking for cavities to nest in, and the nest-box type traps work exceptionally well right now. One exception is a trap like the ST-1, etc, works OK in some cases with old sparrow nests, feathers, and junk in them for sparrows, because they will try to get it for another nest. Bill I have a problem with starlings and would like to get ride of them. Reading all the recent posts, it ... Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:12:41 -0700 (PDT) In the book "The Bluebird Monitor's Guide," 1/2" mesh is called for, but on the PMCA site www.purplemartin.org , 1/4" mesh is specified. Another minor point - I've never seen a dimension for the width of the 3 or 4 metal tabs. Tony Berg, Williamsburg, VA Traps (Part 2) - Ground & Nestbox for House Sparrows and Starlings |
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