Sparrow Spookers
Earlier posts on this topic are probably found under Passive House Sparrow Control
See http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm for more information.
From: mtalentino"at"alltel.net [mailto:mtalentino"at"alltel.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: spooker
at this moment the male EABL is pecking and pulling at the mylar strands on the sparrow spooker. female is in the box on the nest with the 5 eggs. not sure if they have hatched -
the male ripped away a strand of the mylar and has taken to the branch of a tall tree about 30 feet up.
maybe he doesnt like this new device adorning his castle.
i have to leave town for 10 days. i need to get a neighbor to keep an eye on things. hoping the spooker does its job.
Mike Talentino
Twinsburg, OHIO
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz"at"charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: spooker
I too saw a male pulling on the mylar right after installation. He actually yanked a few strands off. Pretty soon he was perching on it. Even so, I figured better to have him worried about the mylar than worried about whether a house sparrow was going to peck his head off.
I have yet to hear of a case where a sparrow spooker was NOT accepted by bluebirds after egg laying commenced. Sometimes it helps to put it up when it's not too windy.
Bet from CT
http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm
From: Cher [mailto:bluelist"at"localnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Where to buy Mylar
Barb Munson wrote:
I went to fabric to buy mylar to make a sparrow spooker They showed to this very stiff plastic that stencils are made from. What is mylar and where do I buy it? I did buy one of the big shiny balloon and cut it up into strips but it is not very good. It is working but I would like something more substantial.
My blue bird babies are now 6 days old. How old are they when they fledge and when do I quit checking on them so they don't fledge early?
I've have my repeating trap out 4 days and still haven't caught anything.
This morning when I went out to check on it it was upside down on the ground. I had put it on a pation side table.
Barb - So. IL
The mylar balloons don't work very well, so I'm told - too lightweight, and tend to curl. Better is the stuff that party banners are made of.
Better yet - and it's free - I use WalMart Ripple Potato Chip bags, washed off and cut into strips. They're blue on one side, shiny mylar on the other. One bag yields 3-4 spookers, and about 10 servings of potato chips. [:-)
Cher
From: Trish Culpepper [mailto:trishkcully"at"earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: Where to buy Mylar
I buy the mylar banners at the dollar store and cut it into strips the
length that I need. Can't beat the price and it's held up two seasons now!!
From: Denise [mailto:maltmomma"at"alltel.net]
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: It's So HOT HERE....
I have my BB box on the North side of my house but it still gets some direct sun in the morning and in the late afternoon. It's been blessedly cool (for Texas in the summer) for the past several days. I believe I have 5 more hatched (there were 5 eggs but they all hunker down when I look). My husband went out and checked on them this AM and was severely chastised by the mom and dad. I got a small Mylar balloon on a plastic stick and cut it in strips and mounted it on the back of the BB house. I'm hoping this will work as a stop gap as a Sparrow spooker until I can make a more endurable one from Bet's plans. It hasn't fazed mom and dad BB. I was wondering about putting my husband's sunshade (it's silver and will deflect the sun) for his car up to protect the box from the direct sun. I'm not sure quite how to do it though. Any suggestions? We have two fences posts I can drape it between and that might help for the afternoon sun. I could move the house closer to our house to get it out of the sun but I'm afraid to move it too close. Thanks for any suggestions.
Denise
Cresson, TX
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz"at"charter.net]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:43 AM
Subject: Sparrow spookers was It's So HOT HERE....
Denise of TX wrote: I got a small Mylar balloon on a plastic stick and cut it in strips and
mounted it on the back of the BB house. I'm hoping this will work as a stop gap as a Sparrow spooker until I can make a more endurable one from Bet's plans. It hasn't fazed mom and dad BB. I was wondering about putting my husband's sunshade (it's silver and will deflect the sun) for his car up to protect the box from the direct sun. I'm not sure quite how to do it though. ....
Denise, mylar balloons tend to curl up, which is why I use Happy Birthday signs (available in party or dollar stores or in the card aisle). Cher uses foil potato chip bags.
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that the design where the strips are tied to a stick on the back of the box is the LEAST effective set up. It is the original design published about 25 years ago, but it is the only one I've heard of being defeated - I saw postings twice that an aggressive HOSP still went into the box. I just put a note to that effect on the spooker webpage at http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm. I really recommend Design #2 or Design #4, where the streamers hang from something extended over and parallel to the rooftop, just brushing the roof.
Bet from CT
From: Steve and Cindy Groene [mailto:hausgroene"at"comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:26 PM
Subject: Sparrow Spooker problem
I ran into a problem w/ the sparrow spooker. I put one up during the first nesting after the chicks had hatched. No problems. I left the actual spooker up but removed the mylar after the first group fledged. Yesterday, the first egg was laid for the second clutch in this box. Same male, new female. I put the mylar up after I saw the first egg. Never saw the BB female go inside the box after that. This morning, I went out to check and see if I had a second egg. No egg at 9am. I came inside and watched the female fly over to the box and hover and fly back to the tree, several times. She would not go inside the box. I went out and cut off the mylar. I had barely gotten back inside and turned around when I saw her fly inside the box. I checked 45 min later and there was the second egg. I’m a little worried about putting the mylar back up until the chicks hatch.
Cindy
From: EHDerry"at"aol.com [mailto:EHDerry"at"aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spooker problem
Cindy: I think Bet reported this problem with one of her females. I believe she solved the problem by putting up one strip of mylar at a time. Once the female accepted the first strip she added a second and then a third.
I am sure Bet will respond to your problem, but due to the holiday and because I was online when your message came through, I thought I should respond asap.
Try putting up one strip and watch to see if the female accepts that before adding a second strip.
Judy Derry
Lockport, NY
From: Cher [mailto:bluelist"at"localnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spooker problem
Cindy, I know it can be scary when a new female with an egg to lay is hesitant to go into the nestbox. But if you have an ongoing HOSP problem, the alternative is just as scary. Is it unusually windy there today? That can scare a female who's not used to a spooker. Why is it they always seem to lay their first eggs on windy days, and babies always seem to want to fledge in a storm?????
Here's what I would do - go out now and put the mylar back on, now that you know she's laid her egg for the day. Give her more time to get used to it. Watch carefully for signs of her going into the box today.
Tomorrow morning, if there's not another egg, try catching up all but one of the mylar strands with a rubber band - so just one strand is fluttering instead of all of them. Continue to watch. She should work up enough courage to fly past the single strand. After she's laid the next egg, hopefully with one mylar strand still hanging down, then go let down the strands again.
Keep this up until she gets used to the sight of the spooker. It doesn't usually take them long. But if you keep taking it down every time she hesitates, you'll be training her to refuse to go in the box when the spooker is up.
Keep us posted on how this works. I haven't known it to fail yet.
Cher
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz"at"charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Sparrow Spooker problem
Hi sorry, have been out of town. I have never had a bluebird here not accept a spooker, nor heard
of a bluebird not accepting a "normal" spooker, although sometimes they may initially seem “worried”
by it, and the males occasionally try to yank off the mylar. Usually both birds end up perching on
the spooker after a while.
As you can see, putting it up DURING egg laying is the best way to find out whether it is accepted,
because you either do or don’t get an egg the next day, plus it gives them a lot of time to get used
to it.
It seems sort of bizarre that a female that nested in a box with a spooker would then reject it on
the next brood, but stranger things have happened.
I like the ideas of putting up one strip at a time, or tying them up, and then letting them down
little by little, ESPECIALLY if it's really windy (good idea to put it when it's NOT windy).
I have some questions Cindy:
What is the configuration of your spooker Can you say which of the designs here:
http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm it most resembles?
How long are the mylar strips? Are they OVER the roof? Or do they reach in front of the hole?
Do they just brush the roof, or are they longer?
What time did this female usually lay an egg by? I had one that didn't get it out till about 1 p.m.
What time of day did you put the spooker up - evening, morning?
I'm very interested, thanks for posting about this problem.
Bet from CT
From: Cher [mailto:bluelist"at"localnet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spooker problem
Bet, I was initially stumped by this too, until I re-read Cindy's message and realized this is a different female than the one who had the last nesting in this box.
Cindy wrote me that she followed my suggestion about catching up all but one strand of the spooker, then letting them down one by one, and it worked. The female accepted the spooker. I'm sure she'll have additional information for you, but I thought that was good news.
Cher
From: Steve and Cindy Groene [mailto:hausgroene"at"comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: Sparrow Spooker problem
Bet- Thanks for getting back to me. I got some great advice that has
worked. Cher is correct. This is not the same female but the same male.
She disappeared 5 days before the chicks fledged. Also, I left the spooker
on the nestbox, but took the mylar strips off after the fledging. The male
and female used it as a perch until I put the mylar back on. Here are my
answers to your questions. The male was not bothered by it at all since he
was used to it I guess.
I have some questions Cindy:
"What is the configuration of your spooker Can you say which of the designs
here:
http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm it most resembles? "
I am using a modified #1. I have mylar strips hanging down parallel w the
roof and also along the "T". It worked the first time or maybe I got lucky.
I have definitely got a sparrow problem and I have ordered a trap from
Blaine. It might even be on my front porch as I type this. I need to go
look. I used the sialis website to build a spooker, or should I say my
husband built it, lol.
"How long are the mylar strips? Are they OVER the roof? Or do they reach
in front of the hole? "
The strips are over the roof, running down the long arm and across the "T".
"Do they just brush the roof, or are they longer? "
They are long enough to brush the roof but they rarely do because our
location is windy. They are frequently blowing out in front of the box but
the "T' does not hang over the box. They would reach the front of the roof
IF it were never windy. They do not hang over the hole.
"What time did this female usually lay an egg by? I had one that didn't get
it out till about 1 p.m."
Apparently she's a little bit of a later egg layer. My first female was an
early layer. This is my first season w/ a nestbox and my second nesting. I
have been waiting until after 11am to check the nestbox for eggs now that I
know she's not a morning person, LOL. As of today, there are now 4 eggs in
the nest.
"What time of day did you put the spooker up - evening, morning?"
I put the mylar on one afternoon after the first egg.
"I'm very interested, thanks for posting about this problem.
Bet from CT""
Seems we need a laugh around here so I'll offer this. I asked my husband to
put up a spooker and printed off the instructions from the sialis website.
My son and I went out of town for a week and I figured it would be a good
time for my husband to get some 'honey do's' accomplished. I came back to
find he had found a pathetic little stick (from a broken tree limb) in the
yard and tied two mylar strips to it and placed it on the back of the box.
It was the most pitiful thing I have ever seen. I didn't laugh in his
presence but I did ask him if he really thought I was going to like and
approve of that spooker. LOL.
Cindy Groene
South Lyon, MI
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz"at"charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: RE: Sparrow Spooker problem
Thanks for the info! FYI, I have only heard of one or two cases of a spooker failing to deter a
HOSP and it was the original design (#3 here http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm ) - i.e., the
one your husband tried to make. Personally I like designs #2 and #4.
Glad to hear the mylar did not go over the hole, I think that is too scary.
I think most bluebirds lay their egg by 10ish, you may have just caught her too early. Or she may
have been a big chicken. Sorry I missed your note that it was a NEW female.
Glad it has been accepted - it should protect the family 24/7 now.
Bet from CT
Subject: Need For Sparrow Spookers
From: "DSturm" <daaranch"at"netex.quik.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:19:06 -0600
Hello to all of you real bluebirders.
I am in northeast Texas, in Keith Kridler's neck of the woods, and am just getting started with bluebirds as a health problem has me limited as to what I can do with my cows at the present time. I have been one of those 300 that Keith referred to in his email as those who read the list but not participate in postings. Guess that this posting has moved me from that group.
This spring I've built and replaced several bluebird nestboxes that I made and installed several years ago. Did not monitor them at that time but do know that a few bluebirds did use them. The nestboxes were constructed using Keith's plans available at the Texas Bluebird Society website. Also, built 4 of the nestboxes and given then to others. One of those ladies called me about 10 days later all excited about bluebirds starting to use one of her nestboxes.
The bluebirds have already claimed and built nests in at least two of the nestboxes here at the farm this year. One of the nests had 3 eggs in it as of yesterday afternoon. The "eggs in the nest" situation brings up the question, should I install "sparrow spookers" on the nestboxes when the bluebirds have started laying?
There is not a big sparrow problem here but a pair are trying to nest in my new purple martin house. Sparrows are persistent birds, I have torn their nests up but they are continuing to rebuilt. A few years ago I would tear sparrow nests out of the barn in the morning and they would be rebuilt by nightfall. Only after tearing them down five or six times did they get discouraged and finally leave. I am afraid that when I discourage them from using the martin house, they might try run the bluebirds out of one of the nestboxes.
I guess that installing the spookers would be the best insurance against sparrows but are the spookers necessary? I have never seen a sparrow spooker installed around this area but that does not mean that they are not being used here.
Given the above situation, does anyone have any recommendations?
Subject: RE: Need For Sparrow Spookers
From: "bluebirder2838" <bluebirder2838"at"comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:02:29 -0400
Hello and welcome to the active status on the Bluebird-L!
In my opinion, tearing out the sparrow nests could lead to real trouble.
They might be encouraged to move on to other nesting sites that may lead to
egg destruction and death to a native cavity nester, eggs or nestlings.
You should investigate house sparrow behavior to understand that they often
compete, to the death, for nesting sites, and then decide whether you want
to be a passive sparrow control landlord, or an active one. For in depth
information on passive and active house sparrow control, please refer to the
website of one of our devoted bluebird fanatics, Bluebird-L member (and
archivist) Bet Zimmerman. Her website, sialis.org
(sialis-from the genus sialis for bluebirds) is a fantastic website for "all
things bluebird" so that we can click on it and find the most answers to our
questions. She has a well researched section on passive and active House
Sparrow Control on her website at this link: http://www.sialis.org/hosp.htm
You may also want to invest in buying a book on bluebirding, including one
that Keith Kridler co-authored, "The Bluebird Monitor's Guide". It's easily
available at amazon.com or perhaps even the Texas Bluebird Society, with
some of the proceeds helping bluebird conservation.
Please keep the List updated on your situation.
Donna from Marlborough, CT
Subject: Re: Need For Sparrow Spookers
From: Cher <bluelist"at"localnet.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:52:07 -0400
Sparrow spookers are a Bluebirders best friend . . . well, almost. I
wouldn't be without them. They work during a limited time period - after
the first egg is laid and up until fledging, and they don't take the
place of more active methods of sparrow control, but they're extremely
effective during the egg-laying, incubating, hatching and nestling stages.
I've been making my own spookers for years - ugly things they were, made
out of bits and pieces and found items. And they often fell down, or
twisted in the wind, making them useless. But there's now a commercially
available version at http://www.sparrowtraps.net. It's adjustable for
any nestbox size, shape, configuration, and any mounting solution.
I have no commercial interest in this product whatsoever - I merely
begged for it to be developed, and Uncle Blaine came through. I'm very
excited that there's now a version of the spooker available for anyone
who's not handy, or who wants something more durable and attractive than
the ones made by hand.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz"at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Need For Sparrow Spookers
Ripping out their nests does little to dissuade them in my experience. They will keep rebuilding and can easily head on over to the nesting EABL and destroy their eggs and/or corner the adults in the box and kill them.
Giving sparrow spookers a try would be a good idea to help protect the EABL, but you need to get rid of the HOSP so your PUMA will have a chance to nest also. I have an inbox trap that fits most of my PUMA compartments. If I can't catch them this way, I sometimes pick them off the side of the housing with a bb-gun or set a bait trap (DRST or ST-1) under the PUMA rig and put lovely nesting material (e.g. string, dried grass, fuzzy stuff) in bait compartment. HOSP go in to get the nesting material and are trapped.
Paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio
South Bass Island (Northern) Ohio
From: Cher [mailto:bluelist"at"localnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Need For Sparrow Spookers
Just for the record . . . Uncle Blaine isn't MY Uncle - LOL - that's just his "handle". I suppose he has a lot of little blue nieces and nephews flying all over the country, though. He's hard-working, ingenious, and an all-around good guy to boot.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz"at"charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 10:26 AM
Subject: Sparrow Spookers
If you don't have House Sparrows (HOSP), you don't need Sparrow Spookers.
If you DO have them, in my opinion it is a lifesaver, and protects the nest 24/7. I have never lost an egg or nestling to HOSP when using a Sparrow Spooker. They have been used for 25 years with great results.
Info on how to make your own at http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm.
Cher and I both provided input to Blaine (who also makes the DRST ground
trap) on the spooker, as none were commercially available before. In my opinion, the installation mechanism he came up with is really clever (it unobtrusively attaches to the back of a box, and then you can pop a spooker on whatever box is chosen by a bluebird), as is the mechanism he came up with for putting in the horizontal rods and adjusting it all to customize it for any style bluebird box. It's also very durable (weather wise.) (I also don't have any commercial interest in them - I just want to protect
bluebirds!) http://www.sparrowtraps.net/spookers.htm For any set up, IMO, it's important that the mylar flutter and brush the top of the box, and extend OVER the top of the roof (not just tied to the pole in the back.)
In my opinion, a Sparrow Spooker is THE most effective passive control mechanism currently available to protect adults, eggs and nestlings from HOSP attacks. It is a great option for people who are not comfortable with active controls.
I DO recommend that you wait to install it until the first egg is laid, and remove it as soon as babies fledge, for a couple of reasons:
You don't want HOSP to become accustomed to it.
You don't want to scare bluebirds away.
Once they have laid an egg, bluebirds WILL NOT (in my experience - have not heard yet from others who experienced abandonment) abandon a box that has a sparrow spooker installed. But nervous landlords get reassurance that it has been accepted because you'll see whether or not there is a new egg the next day. That's why it's useful to put it up DURING egg laying - because the eggs are protected while the are not being incubated, AND it gives the bluebirds extra time to adjust AND you get confirmation of acceptance when a new egg is laid.
The problem is what to do BEFORE an egg is laid to protect adult bluebirds.
I find fishing line helps reduce HOSP interest in a box. Info here:
http://www.sialis.org/hosp.htm#monofilament
My two cents.
Bet from CT
From: DSturm [mailto:daaranch"at"netex.quik.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spookers
Bet (and all who have replied to my post)
Thanks for the information on the need for sparrow spookers, where they can be ordered and where plans are available. I had searched the internet and found the plans. Bet, thanks for all the information you have make available on your site.
I have one of Uncle Blaine's sparrow traps but was not aware that he was making sparrow spookers. Being somewhat handy with woodworking tools and having them available, I am making my own spookers using fiberglass dowel rods attached to wooden circles. The fiberglass rods are available from Tractor Supply. They are normally used for electric fencing posts. I originally found the rods when searching for something other than wooden dowels to use for purple martin perches. The wooden circles are what is drilled out of a piece of wood when using a hole saw like that used to drill out a door for a door handle. I use two of the circular pieces of wood and two short dowels attaching them to a wooden post made from a short piece of 1x2. By using two dowel/wooden circle combinations and attaching them to the post with a long metal screw, I can adjust the angle of the rods to fit any size nestbox. I figure the cost of the material for one of these spookers is perhaps 50 cents. I can't see spending $20 plus shipping for Uncle Blaine's spookers. That is several times what a nestbox is costing to make.
The only problem that I am having is finding mylar tape. Attaching any tape to the dowel rods is a snap if the plastic (or pvc) clips are used. Since I cannot find mylar tape, I am going to use regular flagging tape which should last for a while.
Does anyone know if the tape Uncle Blaine supplies with his spookers is mylar? Does anyone know where mylar tape is available other than perhaps from Uncle Blaine?
If I have put something in this post that is a "no-no", please let me know what it is and I will refrain from that in the future.
From: Cher [mailto:bluelist"at"localnet.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spookers
There will always be those who are do-it-yourselfers, who are handy and inventive and want to make things themselves to save money. And there will always be those who, faced with the prospect of trying to figure out how to make something themselves will get bogged down and just not bother.
I don't see anything wrong with posting how to make your own spooker - I've been doing it for years, and I still DO tell people they can make their own.
However, as one of the Bluebirders who *asked* - begged, really - Uncle Blaine to come up with a commercial design for a sparrow spooker, and who knows how hard he worked to adapt his design to our specifications while keeping the cost VERY reasonable for everything included in his ingenious, adjustable, sturdy, version, I feel he deserves a pat on the back. There have been a number of posts recently that have taken on a slightly sneering tone about the commercial nature of this product. I don't think that's necessary. If anyone doesn't want to purchase a ready-made spooker, they don't have to. There are many places to find out how to make one.
And you CAN order just the rolls of mylar from Blaine's site - for a VERY reasonable cost. He's never going to get rich from making Sparrow Spookers, people. He's just trying to do something he loves, and put bread on the table for his family at the same time. Some people might feel that's an admirable thing.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz"at"charter.net]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 4:53 PM
Subject: RE: Sparrow Spookers
Good for you! Blaine does sell the tape, and it is mylar. You can also use Happy Birthday Signs (cut them into strips) that are available at Dept.
stores(near the card section) or party shops. They are nice because they don't roll up. I DO recommend using weather proof mylar, since it flutters and lasts. Aluminum foil does not work well.
Bet
PS Flagging tape is NOT as effective as mylar! The shiny-ness seems to make a big difference. Also you want something that flutters freely, and doesn't curl up.
Unfortunately I am NOT handy. I really wish I could make my own boxes and supplies. My homemade Sparrow Spookers are pretty hideous :-) But I was proud of the emergency one I made out of a potato chip bag (at Cher's suggestion), duct tape, a branch, and coffee stirrers. It actually lasted through fledging.
I never could have come up with a design like Blaines - the connector itself for the horizontal rods probably cost more than 50 cents. Personally, I like the clean look and durability, and the easy on/easy off feature. We were connecting ours with black rubber hoses and hose clamps - not pretty.
If Sparrow Spookers are properly constructed and installed, whether they are homemade or purchased, they DO WORK like a charm.
From: DSturm [mailto:daaranch"at"netex.quik.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spookers
Bet,
You are absolutely correct about flagging tape not being as effective as mylar. Mylar will reflect sunlight and the flagging tape will not. Also, mylar, being somewhat stiffer, will crackle in the wind at times. I am not saying this from experience but from knowledge gained by internet searches.
I ordered 3 rolls of the tape from Uncle Blaine then found it on the net for a better price. Uncle Blaine's tape is the way to go if you don't want or need more than 25 feet. However, overdoing things as I normally do, I now have enough on order to make at least a couple hundred spookers. The tape is called "bird tape" (or ribbon) and is available from nursery supply companies. It is available in several colors and color combinations. I will use some of it in my garden to keep the birds away. Testimonials say that it is the stuff to use and works.
dsturm from NE Texas
From: Anne-Marie Palermino [mailto:ampalermino"at"msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spookers
... I just ordered sparrow spookers and was wondering if it is better to install them after the EABL or other desirable birds have chosen the nest or can I install them upfront?. I ordered several mounts so that I transport the spooker from one box to the next.
For years, I did not have to worry too much about HOSPS. I did a little bit
of active trapping and it sufficed to solve the problem. This is the first
year the HOSPs try to nest at the same time as the EABLs, may be due to the
warm winter and weird spring we had. It is a real headache. Thanks for
all your tips.
From: Cher [mailto:bluelist"at"localnet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Sparrow Spookers
Ann-Marie,
If you've purchased the commercial version of the Spooker from www.sparrowtraps.net, it comes with two mounting brackets. This is handy if you have two boxes, and don't know which one the Bluebirds are going to choose to nest in, because you can install one bracket on the back of each box, and be ready to install the body of the spooker as soon as the first egg is laid. It should *not* be done before that for two reasons -
1) Before the Bluebirds are committed to a nesting site, the addition of a spooker could scare them away and cause them to nest elsewhere. Once they are committed, however, with an egg in the nest, they will overcome any initial fear of the spooker. It usually only takes a few minutes for this to happen.
2) It is feared that overuse of the spooker will cause the HOSP to become acclimated to it, thereby reducing its effectiveness.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: denisefarmer"at"comcast.net [mailto:denisefarmer"at"comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 11:13 PM
Subject: RE: Sparrow Spookers
I would put the mounting brackets on and test it, then remove just the spooker. The sppooker is supposed to go up after the first egg
Denise Farmer
Parkville, MD
From: Autumn L. Kruer [mailto:autumnk"at"iglou.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: Before it's too late
I have to be at an important interview for a local travel magazine today to promote my new business today and leaving these HOSP I can’t seem to get rid of scares me. I’ve worked the past two days on my porch with the shotgun next to me, which keeps them at bay while I’m out there. I spent a lot of time studying sparrow spookers last night on Sialis. I actually found some mylar gift wrap in a closet, decided to take two hangers and shape them into triangles as the “frame” to hang the mylar over the TRES and EABL boxes (4 eggs in that one now) as a quick homemade deterrent until I can trap or shoot the HOSP. I’m thinking maybe attaching them to paint stirrers or something as a lightweight post to hold the triangle. Will come up with something before I leave today. Wish me and my birds luck.
Autumn in Kentucky
From: Autumn L. Kruer [mailto:autumnk"at"iglou.com]
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:30 PM
Subject: Blue about my blues - they're gone
I put up the sparrow spooker yesterday and there were 4 bluebird eggs. The bluebirds went back into the box and I even startled the male checking the box later on in the afternoon. They were both back, in and out. Then this morning I had an appointment and left, came back in the afternoon to a strange sight. A starling was sitting on the bluebird box; of course, he can’t get in the small hole, but no bluebird flew down to run him off. The starling flew away when I pulled up. Then about an hour later I noticed another pair of TRES on the box. Still no bluebirds. A male TRES sat on the box and a female went in and peered out. Still no bluebirds shooing them away. I checked the box. There are now 5 blue eggs in there; all appear intact. But I did not see the bluebirds all this afternoon into early evening. Just the new TRES, who were treating the box as if it were now abandoned.
I bought a new box yesterday and tonight my husband and set it up on a pole about 2 feet from the box the HOSP have taken over. It’s set for a Van Ert trap. I figure they’re not going to like a box that close and will investigate it and try to keep other birds out of it. Tomorrow morning I observe and then drop the trap in.
Do you all think my blues moved on from the stress of the HOSP? They started building first in the box the HOSP currently occupy, then moved to the paired box the first TRES couple occupy, then across the yard to the box that currently contains eggs. This was what tipped me off that something big was wrong. They ALWAYS take one of the paired boxes and the TRES ALWAYS take the box the blues currently have eggs in. The BBs just kept moving from box to box to get away from the HOSP. I sure hope the ‘spooker’ isn’t what ran them off but I don’t think so since they went back in the box again last afternoon after I put it up. The TRES who are now checking out the apparently abandoned eggs don’t seem bothered by the spooker, either. Another thought: The Canada goose abandoned her nest with eggs. Only thing I can think of is that they were laid during that cold snap that lasted a week and she wasn’t able to keep them warm enough, they weren’t incubating and she knew it. But the BB eggs are new, one very new one laid yesterday. Oh, I don’t know.
It’s my hope I can trap the HOSP with the Van Ert, destroy them and with any luck the bluebirds will come back to a new empty box.
Autumn in Kentucky
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz"at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Blue about my blues - they're gone
Autumn,
I doubt they are gone, but let us know a week from now. You say they had four eggs and you put the spooker on. The next day there were 5 eggs. That is good because female accepted spooker and laid #5. She might lay #6 next day or possibly wait a day or so to begin incubating. During egg laying, parents can stay away from the box for the most part until incubating starts so it may only appear abandoned when all is well.
EUST did not bother eggs, so no problem there. TRES have never bothered EABL eggs in my experience. I have actually had a TRES sit on an EABL's eggs for a while after her nest was destroyed by HOSP. The female EABL subsequently chased her off and the EABL eggs hatched just fine. They were probably just checking out the real estate. Let us know next week if the female EABL is incubating those eggs.
paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio
From: bridget mcgann [mailto:lilbmcg"at"gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: My 2nd year of birding so far...
On 4/28/07, bridget mcgann <lilbmcg"at"gmail.com> wrote:
A little summary of my experience...Last summer I put up my first bird box ever, hoping to get bluebirds. No blues, but as I live on a lake I got some TRES who successfully fledged 5 babies.
Now here's what I've got going on right now. I've since acquired a few more boxes, and the TRES have returned to the same spot. I put a different box up there and they seem to like it. I received this box as a gift, and the hole is very different, but I decided to use it for the tres because it opens so much easier than last year's tres box. (Less time opening/closing the door = less time getting dive-bombed!) They hung out there all day today, defending it from a female HOSP in the AM, then spending the PM feasting on bugs over the lake and keeping watch alternatively. They went in the box several times but I have not seen them building the nest yet.
This year I have been trapping HOSPs and clipping their flight wings. I have gotten 5 males now and it seems to be helping a lot! After the 4th, the TRES started coming around so I quickly took the trap off of that box, and like I said they seemed to have claimed it today. They chased away a female HOSP without too many problems, but a male came along this evening and started climbing right into the box while the TRES were sitting on top! I don't have a Magic Halo for this box but I had some mylar that I cut up for a quick solution. But first I put another box up nearby to catch the HOSP, because I knew it would be quick and it was. But by the time I was done it seemed like either the TRES were gone for the evening or they'd gotten chased off by the HOSP. I am hoping it is the former! I'll find out tomorrow...
Next I fashioed the best excuse for a sparrow spooker I could muster and it deterred the HOSPs but the TRES came around and they did NOT like it! They flew around it for 30 seconds, very upset and squawking. I watched, hoping they'd try and land on it but they flew away. So I took it off, and another HOSP came back around, so I put the spooker back up and the other house with the trap...and that is where I am currently at!
Here are some photos for further illustration!
This shows the TRES box and on the right you can see another pole in the ground on the edge of my property -- that is where I put the trap box. I'd say it is a distance of about 25ft.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tinkertart/476059679/
This one is a bit more of a close-up of my TRES box, with the spooker made of mylar balloon strips. They don't brush against the top of the box because it is so windy here! It worked though! At least, for now...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tinkertart/476060393/in/photostream/
I also had what I am 99% sure was a barn swallow flying around today. Because of the rust-colored underbelly, I thought it was an EABL at first, but he was VERY dark on top and flying like a TRES. Is it normal for TRES and BASW to be hanging out like that? Shouldn't he be in a barn somewhere?
All very exciting, but I wonder if I will ever get bluebirds! I have decided to try putting up a house in the front yard, in addition to paring one in the back. If I want to pair some TRES and EABLs, what distance between the boxes do you guys recommend?
Oh, I forgot to ask -- Do you think I should try putting the mylar up again? The TRES haven't actually started building their nest yet so I don't know if they will try hard enough to land on it tomorrow...I don't want to scare them away, of course, but I also can't watch it all day.
Last year they tolerated the Magic Halo just fine, but the HOSPs seem to be getting used to those a bit...I'll probably still get one for this box but I can't spend $30 on one at the moment. What should I do until then besides trapping HOSPs?
Thanks,
Bridget
Granger, IN
From: bridget mcgann [mailto:lilbmcg"at"gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: My 2nd year of birding so far...
Addendum: Hooraaayy my TRES are back! I took the mylar down and they came back.
Bridget
Granger, IN
From: Anne-Marie Palermino [mailto:ampalermino"at"msn.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Restrictor/HOSP & sparrow spookers
For some reason, HOSPs did not go away this winter. So they were around when EABLs wanted to nest and most of my boxes are empty, except for 2. For the first year, I don't have EABLs nesting in my yard. Yesterday, I did not stop trapping HOSPs. I tried restrictors and it did not stop HOSPs from entering the box that the chickadees had chosen. I was so fed up I tried a sparrow spooker where the chickadees are attempting to nest. So far so good, the chickadees seem still interested in the box and the hosps are gone (I helped a little bit with that). Has anyone used sparrow spookers with chickadees?
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz"at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Am I Passive Agressive?
I'll admit it. I can be a stubborn person, but due to my immense respect for Bet, I decided to use "sparrow spookers" on two of my boxes that have seen HOSP destruction of eggs or young these past two seasons.
I went to her website and made myself a few of these ugly mylar flapper contraptions, muttering the whole time, but reminding myself that Bet swears by them.
On Friday, I installed two. One was installed on a box that had EABL nestlings chucked out last year by HOSP. This year, the HOSP chucked out the EABL 4 eggs. I returned several days after the egg chucking to find both EABL parents standing vigil on the same box (I had left their nest) and "the" HOSP cheeping madly away on the paired box 12 feet away. I looked in the EABL box and saw one egg so slapped on the ugly contraption. Today, Mom is incubating 4 eggs in the box and a second HOSP (got the first one) has added to the TRES start in the adjacent paired box. The second box is in a location near homes and large pine trees (double HOSP whammy). Last year, the EABL were harrassed and only fledged 2 from this box. Their neighboring TRES pair were chased off by HOSP. They had one egg on Friday so I slapped on the spooker. Today, there are four eggs.
People are always searching for a "sparrow proof" box or a "wren proof" box.
I know that wren guards work because I have used them successfully in the past. Will these sparrow guards work too? Bet swears by them so I am giving them a go. So far, I am impressed and will let you know if these guys fledge all right. Installing these contraptions on a nestbox after the first egg is laid could make them "wren proof" or "sparrow proof" - certainly worth a try.
So I have added an additional passive control to my arsenal. Am I officially passive agressive now?
Paula z
Powell (Central) Ohio
From: Bob Walshaw [mailto:walshaw1"at"cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Am I Passive Agressive?
Just remember that the house sparrows that you keep out of your boxes instead of trapping and eliminating them when it is in your power to do so will be harassing Bluebirds and other small cavity nesters in natural cavities and perhaps in other birder's nestboxes. Bluebird Bob.
From: Cher [mailto:thebbnut"at"hughes.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: Am I Passive Agressive?
Bob, I don't understand what you're getting at. You keep talking about not excluding HOSP from nestboxes, and trapping them instead. It's all well and good to put traps in EMPTY boxes to try and capture the HOSP, but you CAN'T put traps in boxes with active nests. Paula obviously has active nests going in the boxes where she installed the spookers.
Can you please clarify your position, because to me it sounds like you're saying we should all set up HOSP death trails and let the Bluebirds fend for themselves.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz"at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Am I Passive Agressive?
Ah, Bob. I use both active and passive means. The HOSP that destroyed the first EABL clutch is no longer with us. The new HOSP trying to nest nearby will not be there long, but the beauty of the sparrow spooker, if it works as others claim, is that the HOSP's in the area will not go near this box now and that is key. If I can protect an active nest by keeping a marauding bird from going there, it makes sense to do it. I will trap the marauder in an adjacent box most likely and help to keep unknown cavities free from HOSP's.
Today, I walked a trail with a new monitor who is set on using passive measures only. We observed an altercation between a TRES and two HOSP. The TRES had almost completed its nest and we happened by at the exact right moment to see this skirmish. They fought in front of the box and then went in. I crept up from behind, blocked the entry hole and captured the TRES and male HOSP in my mesh bag. The female HOSP got away - did not realize she was in there too, but that TRES would definitely have been killed with both HOSP in there after it. The TRES looked fine when I released it. I did not release the HOSP.
Paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio
From: Cher [mailto:thebbnut"at"hughes.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Am I Passive Agressive?
Thanks for the clarification, Bob. I must assume, then, that your apparent objection to the use of spookers was all in my imagination, since a spooker is not used until a Bluebird is committed to its nesting site, and none of us, not even you, would advocate encouraging or enticing a HOSP into a nestbox with an active Bluebird nesting.
We need to exercise caution, lest - in our zeal to advocate our own particular point of view - we confuse or misinform those newcomers among us who are unfamiliar with our terminology.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
...
Bob Walshaw wrote:
> To claRify if I haven't communicated well - I set the Huber traps only
> after the house sparrows have built nests to minimize the chances of
> catching "good' birds. Often I have to mash down or remove part of the
> house sparrow nest to make room for the trap, but this doesn't appear
> to create a problem as my catch of 47 house sparrows so far will show.
> Bluebird Bob.
From: Shari Kastner [mailto:smk "at"teamv.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Hello everyone,
I saw a male HOSP fly out of one of my boxes in the backyard this morning. It is a box that the TRESs have been using so I knew I'd better check it out. I found a dead TRES sitting on her 3 eggs. She was pecked so badly that my friend had to turn her over to identify what kind of bird she was. This is the second time this year that a HOSP has killed a bird in one of my boxes. Last time it was a female EABL, this time a female TRES with three eggs.
Very sad day,
Shari Kastner
New Berlin, WI
From: Cher [mailto:thebbnut "at"hughes.net]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Shari,
I'm sorry you had to find this. I know it's very distressing. May I ask, are you using a spooker on your TRES boxes as well as your Bluebird boxes? I've discovered my TRES accept them just as readily as the Blues do. It does offer a measure of protection once egg-laying commences.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: bridget mcgann [mailto:lilbmcg "at"gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
I, too have had success with the Halo spooker on my TRES box. They just loved perching on top!
Bridget
Granger, IN
From: Shari Kastner [mailto:smk "at"teamv.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 3:16 PM
Subject: RE: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Hi Cher,
No, I do not have spookers on my boxes, although I can certainly see the benefit if they do work. It might be something I will add in the future.
Thanks for your kind works and the good advice,
Shari Kastner
New Berlin, WI
From: Anne-Marie Palermino [mailto:ampalermino "at"msn.com]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
I had the same issue and used a sparrow spooker. I don't have EABLs in the nest but chickadees instead. They have accepted the spooker really well. I had one sparrow intrusion (and thank God no casualty) since the spooker I used was commercially made and tends to rotate 180 degree when there is a lot of wind. I keep rotating it with a broom stick back in its original position. I will fix the problem when the chickadees are gone.
So far it has been a saving grace. By the end of the summer all my boxes will be equiped to accomodate Van Ert traps and sparrow spookers.
From: Bob Walshaw [mailto:walshaw1 "at"cox.net]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Shari - as per my previous post for an in-box trap source, trap and eliminate the house sparrows..
Spookers just send the problem on to other bluebirders or to birds in natural cavities.
Bluebird Bob.
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz "at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Bob,
Although I agree that inbox trapping is a wonderful tool to keep an area safer for native birds, I have to emphatically disagree with your statement, "Spookers just send the problem on to other bluebirders or to birds in natural cavities." They truly do nothing of the kind. The spookers are ONLY put on a box after a native nester has laid eggs. It appears to be another valuable bluebirding tool to keep native nesters safe when they are
actively nesting. I have many nestboxes and the HOSP are welcome to "try"
to use any of them. I can trap a HOSP in another box while keeping a native bird safe in its box.
Regarding Shari's incident, I have lost a few TRES this season due to HOSP.
If you set your inbox trap in that box tomorrow, you will probably catch the HOSP that did this.
Paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio
From: Shari Kastner [mailto:smk "at"teamv.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Hi Paula,
I set the trap right after my friend took the nest with the eggs and the dead female out. I caught both the male and female HOSP at the same time within an hour. I didn't realize that it was possible to get both at the same time. They are now gone so my box is open again.
Shari Kastner
New Berlin, WI
From: Cher [mailto:thebbnut "at"hughes.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Bob, there you go spreading disinformation again. Spookers are only used to keep HOSP from invading ACTIVE NESTINGS. You can't use a spooker on an empty box. I don't think anyone here wants to use native songbird eggs/babies as bait for HOSP traps.
DO use a spooker on any box containing eggs and/or babies. If you still need to trap HOSP, do so in a different box set up with an in-box trap.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: Cher [mailto:thebbnut "at"hughes.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Ann Marie, if your spooker is rotating then the outer ring on the mounting bracket needs to be tightened down more. If tightened properly, the spooker will not rotate, unless there's something wrong with the mounting bracket - which is a possibility. I had one outer ring that refused to tighten properly, I tried a different ring and it tightened beautifully - the spooker is now rock solid even on the windiest days.
You probably received two mounting brackets with your spooker set. Try the ring for the other bracket if it's not installed on another box.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz "at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
I suppose one could say the same thing about a 1 1/8" holed nestbox or hole reducer as this is also an exclusionary device intended to deny HOSP access to a nestbox. Both sparrow spookers and hole reducers are intended to keep the native nester safe.
Paula
Powell (Central) Ohio
From: Bob Walshaw [mailto:walshaw1 "at"cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
OK. My comment may have been made due to ignorance. Can you send me some info on spookers?
Thanks, Bluebird Bob.
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz "at"charter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: RE: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Hi Bob - my page on Sparrow Spookers is here:
http://www.sialis.org/sparrowspooker.htm. Cher, I know you have info and pix on your site, but I couldn't remember where to find it.
Sparrow Spookers are a proven commodity, and if properly constructed and installed, can protect eggs and nestlings 24/7. They have been used successfully on bluebird nestboxes, Tree Swallows, and chickadees (thanks for the info Anne-Marie). They are one of the few passive methods that REALLY work! They can be homemade or purchased. They do require that the landlord monitor as they need to know when the first egg is laid.
The "conventional wisdom" is to put them up as soon as the first egg is laid, and remove them after fledging. The reason for not putting them up earlier or leaving them on longer is to avoid spooking native birds, and to avoid HOSP becoming accustomed to them (as they do over time with fishing
line.) A few people have reported putting them up earlier on bluebird/TRES nests when HOSP competition was intense, and leaving them on after fledging, and they had successful nestings.
So far, the few Spookers that I have heard of being defeated by HOSP (i.e.,HOSP entry) were those that were in the original design where streamers hang from a pole or stick on the back of the roof, used ribbons or flagging vs. mylar, and were put up BEFORE the first egg was laid.
Sparrow Spookers are ONE tool used to deter HOSP from attacking native birds, eggs and nestlings. A combination of methods is most effective:
PASSIVE methods such as controlling food sources, nestbox location and style, hole restrictors, monofilament (fishing line), and exclusion; and ACTIVE methods such as inbox and ground trapping, nest and egg removal/rendering eggs infertile, shooting, etc.
In my opinion, people need to do whatever they are comfortable with and can manage. But ignoring HOSP or "hoping" they will all just get along is generally a recipe for disaster.
Bet from CT
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz "at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Another Sad Day Due to a Loss from a HOSP
Sure, Bob. The best place to learn about them is from Bet's website:
http://www.sialis.org/hosp.htm#sparrowspooker
I was very skeptical about "sparrow spookers", but decided to try them at a few locations this spring where I have had major problems in the past.
Their purpose is to keep HOSP away from a box once a native nester has occupied it. So far, they are working in every instance. It is "spooky".
Sparrow spookers are not a replacement for a good HOSP control program IMHO.
You only using them on boxes where native birds have begun their clutch.
Other empty boxes remain for other birds on my trail, and many of these end up serving to trap HOSP.
Paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio
From: Anne-Marie Palermino [mailto:ampalermino "at"msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:44 PM
Subject: Chickadee killed - question to the list
This am, I found the female chickadee pecked to death in the nest that had the sparrow spooker. the only birds I saw around in the vicinity of the
box:
o Hosp on the roof of my house, I never saw him close to the box
o Wren that was singing on my porch
o Bluebird pair that was claiming the box. Actually, it is because they were so interested in the box that I finally decided to take the gamble and check the content, only to find a BCCH pecked to death. I am disheartned because I have so many empty boxes and this one seems to only attract death.
Anyways, my question is: could the EABL have done that? If not, I have a bigger problem in my hands. I know wrens do also a lot of damage with eggs but do not know what they do with mature birds like BCCH.
Incidentally, the sparrow spooker did not deter the EABLs from claiming the box. Thanks in advance
From: Cher [mailto:thebbnut "at"hughes.net]
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Chickadee killed - question to the list
Anne-Marie,
I'm so sorry about your female Chickadee. Since a sparrow spooker is not designed to frighten Bluebirds, I wouldn't have expected it to deter the EABL's from raiding the chickadee box. It is possible that the Bluebirds did this to the Chickadee. Is the Wren you're referring to a House Wren?
Were there any sticks placed in the box?
I would be inclined to think it least likely that it was the HOSP, as long as the spooker was properly made and positioned. There have been very few reported instances of spookers failing to deter HOSP.
Cher ~ Finger Lakes region, NY State
NOTE FROM WEBMASTER: Possibly a bluebird attack?
From: Duane Rice [mailto:drbirdsong4 "at"hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Chickadee killed - question to the list
Anne-Marie,
Sorry to hear about your Dee.
It's hard to say for certain who the culprit was, but my first suspect would be the HOSP.
It would only take a second for it to fly to the box and do the dirty deed.
I think the BB's would have given the Chickadee a chance to flee, and as far as I know, don't usually kill competitors.
The Wren would depend on what species of Wren it was, but even so, not a vey likely suspect for a murder.
The advent of nest cams are bringing a lot of unobserved behavior to light, which is a good thing, even though it may give us some answers we may not like, such as bluebirds committing such an act.
On the other hand,
HOSP have their reputation for a reason.
DR
From: Bet Zimmerman [mailto:ezdz "at"charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: Chickadee killed - question to the list
Oh NO!!!!!! You had one of the commercial sparrow spookers, yes?
The EABLs had not laid an egg?
Was the head pecked? See http://www.sialis.org/hosp.htm#recognize.
I have not heard of House Wrens attacked adults - just eggs and very young nestlings. (Sparrow spookers do not deter HOWRs)
Bet from CT
From: Al & Yvonne [mailto:tchehabitat "at"bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Chickadee killed - question to the list
We do not have house wrens or house sparrows. One year, we had a flying squirrel kill a Carolina Chickadee that was sitting on eggs. We found the dead bird a little ways from the box with some wounds on it. The squirrel then built its nest right on top of the chickadee nest. Flying squirrels have been using this box ever since. It seems that once flying squirrels move into "the neighborhood" the birds steer clear of those boxes.
Yvonne and Al Bordelon
Covington, LA
From: Paula Ziebarth [mailto:paulaz "at"columbus.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: Chickadee killed - question to the list
Anne-Marie,
Almost certainly the HOSP did this. He must have overcome his fear of the spooker. What design did you use - spookerwise? I have never had an EABL kill another bird in a nestbox. The HOSP is the only bird I have seen do this in an EABL nestbox.
I'm sorry this happened to you. I've had quite a few birds killed by HOSP in nestboxes this spring. I have lost no EABL to them this year. Most of them were TRES, but I had one CACH killed very early that was only checking out an empty box (no nesting material yet) and a HOSP followed it in there.
Paula Z
Powell (Central) Ohio
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