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bulletThat Remarkable Peterson Entrance by Wayne H. Davis
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bulletThe great entrance-hole debate by Myrna Pearman
bulletStarlings and oval-holed nest boxes by Kevin Berner
bulletNestBox software (shareware) demo
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bulletDescriptive Nesting Histories Of Possible Bluebird Box Occupants
bulletROOFS —  Everything  MORE THAN You Wanted to Know by Steve Eno
bulletWinterizing Your Bluebird Boxes Permanently by Svante Humbla
bulletResults of Additional Research Regarding the Bauldry/Open Topped Box Design by Diane Barbin.
bulletPairing houses: How do you do the math? by Linda Janilla

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:07:25 -0400
From: Lisa Bennett <lisab@superdups.com>
To: "BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu" <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: suggestions for Numbering boxes?

Hi everyone!
Any suggestions for numbering boxes? Any create ways to make the numbering look aesthetically pleasing? What is easier , using numbers or letters? This is going to be my first set of boxes and any suggestions would be great! I don't know how you are able to hand feed your Blues, my BB's see me every day cleaning out something or other in the yard and all I get is dive bombed and beak snapped at. Thanks again!!!! Lisa

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?
From: Brenda Best <jabbest@americu.net>
To: <lisab@superdups.com>, BLUEBIRD-L <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>

On 7/29/02 1:07 PM, Lisa Bennett wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> Any suggestions for numbering boxes? Any create ways to make the
> numbering look aesthetically pleasing? What is easier , using numbers
> or letters? This is going to be my first set of boxes and any
> suggestions would be great! I don't know how you are able to hand feed
> your Blues, my BB's see me every day cleaning out something or other
> in the yard and all I get is dive bombed and beak snapped at. Thanks
> again!!!! Lisa

Lisa,

Don't limit yourself to letters and/or numbers. Be creative! I have 4 boxes in one location that were assembled by kids. I called the boxes Adam, Chris, Dennis, and Danny. Here at home, I prefer a more descriptive name for the location, so for example I use POLE for the one on the telephone pole, EOL for the one at the "edge of lawn," and BWF for the one on the barbed-wire fence.

Good luck!

Brenda
--
Brenda Best
Durhamville, NY
jabbest@americu.net

Nature Club of Central New York
http://www.natureclubofcny.com

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kerry Sweet <ksweet3450@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?
To: Bluebird Messages <bluebird-l@cornell.edu>

Lisa,

When me and my husband put up our boxes we decided to name them the different states in which they where located from our state.

For instance we are in Okla. so that is the center of our trail, then the nestbox that is south from our houses is Texas box, the one west was California box, north was Kansas box, and then the one further north was Nebraska box. This really only works for a small trail with few boxes. We also thought of different places like Yosemite Box, Yellowstone box, Stonehenge box. It was fun but now we just have numbers since we added more boxes.

Good luck!
Kerry in NE corner of Okla.

--- Lisa Bennett <lisab@superdups.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone!
> Any suggestions for numbering boxes? Any create ways to

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:54:35 -0400
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?
From: Larry VanZalen <wings@mei.net>
To: <lisab@superdups.com>, "BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu" <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>

on 7/29/02 1:07 PM, Lisa Bennett at lisab@superdups.com wrote:

> Any suggestions for numbering boxes? Any create ways to make the
> numbering look aesthetically pleasing?

Hi Lisa,

My box numbering consists of a three digit system. The first digit is the location and the next two digits is the the number of the box in the sequence that it is usually checked. For example, I have three boxes in my yard and monitor them in a counter-clockwise circle. The first digit for all three is "1" for the location. The first box I habitually check is numbered "01" which makes it box number "101". A local business in town is home to several more boxes and they are numbered (in the sequence I usually monitor
them) as "201, 202", etc. Box "201" is the box closest to where I park my truck and begin the circle. When I start a new trail, those boxes will have a prefix of "3".

As for an aesthetically pleasing means of numbering, I'm about as fussy as the birds are, and use a black marker. The numbers wear off in time so the marker is something as important to carry on my monitoring rounds as a screwdiver. BTW, all my boxes are constructed using coated deck screws (Phillips Head) for ease in repairs when needed.

I found that an unauthorized person(s) was using his own screwdriver to open the boxes and to combat this, I replaced the screws holding the doors closed. I replaced them with "Torx Head" screws. Now, it takes a special screwdriver to open the box, a tool not commonly found in most home workshops. I did this on the premise that whoever was opening my boxes (for whatever reason) probably would not go to the trouble and expense of purchasing his own Torx head just to peek into a bluebird box. So far, I've been right. Each time I close a box after checking it, I'll put a blade of grass in the bottom joint of the opening. When the box is opened, the blade of grass falls to the ground. It's the same thing we did as kids to keep tabs on how often Mom monitored our room. :)

Regards,
larry...

From: "emcooper" <emcooper@bayou.com>
To: <wings@mei.net>, <lisab@superdups.com>, <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:54:35 -0500

I use black and white markers, mostly white as it shows up so nicely on the weathered wood. I use just 1, 2, 3, etc. as my husband would not like having to try to remember anything else. :<)

Evelyn Cooper
Louisiana Bayou Bluebird Society
Bluebirds along the bayous.......where we lend a helping hand!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry VanZalen" <wings@mei.net>
To: <lisab@superdups.com>; <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?

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From: "Bobby Wilson" <bluebirdbob@hotmail.com>
To: Bluebird-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Numbering nesting boxes
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:29:51 +0000

Since everyone seem to have a different system for numbering boxes here's mine. My trail along Highway 141 in 8.7 miles long so I use the posted mile
markers with some adjustment. The trail starts just past mile marker 130.3.  Since all the mile markers have a 1 I just drop that and that makes the first one MS 303 the last one is MS 390 that 8.7 miles. The MS is the abbreviation for Mesa County, Colorado that lets anyone in the state know where the boxes are located. When I pair boxes the first would be 368 and the paired one would be 368.1. If I run out of numbers we use a decimal like .5 or .8 depending on the tens of a mile from the last numbered box. Well anyway it work for our trail.

Bob Wilson
(970) 242-5190
39* 06.21N -108*33.61 W
4,635 elevation Grand Junction Colorado
THE HOME OF ALL THREE BLUEBIRD SPECIES

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:29:49 -0700
From: John Schuster <wildwingco@earthlink.net>
CC: Bluebird Messages <bluebird-l@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?

> Dear Lisa and friends,
>
> In our vineyards (and others) I like to use letters and numbers to
> correspond with the vineyard lot and the number of nest boxes there.
> For example if the vineyard has multiple lots (i.e. A lot, B lot, or C
> lot) then the nest boxes would be identified as A1, A2, or B1, B2,
> etc.
>
> However, if the owners do not want numbers painted on their nest boxes
> then I resort to my computer (and have for sometime now.)
>
> After surveying an area for a future trail, Iíll use my graphics
> program to make a miniaturized nest box (with mounting pole), copy it,
> then cut and paste it building a trail in my computer. Then I assign
> each nest box with itís letter and number then add landmarks for
> orientation. Not that hard to do and there is no paint or mess to
> deal with.
>
> Hereís another tip. The side that I list the identity of the nest box
> is also the side that the door is located. We all know, that
> sometimes things just get in the way when we try to open our nest
> boxes so this is helpful when developing future trails and reminds you
> (and me too) of how many nest boxes that youíll need to build with
> left side or right side opening doors
>
> Having a computer model of your trail is a very good idea. Taking a
> printed sheet of your trail along with you (while monitoring your
> trail), youíll be able to find your nest boxes quickly, you can write
> comments on it and then transfer your comments to your computer later
> when you get back home.
>
> Of course you can do all this the old fashion way (by hand), but
> computers are such useful tools.
>
> Hope this helps and as always....
>
> Happy Bluebird Trails To You,
> John Schuster, Conservationist and Owner
> Wild Wing Company
> Bio-Diversity Products
> 1179 Debbie Hill Road
> Cotati, California 94931
> PH: (707) 795-4440
> E-mail: wildwingco@earthlink.net
>
> --- Lisa Bennett <lisab@superdups.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone!
> > Any suggestions for numbering boxes? Any create ways to make the
> > numbering look aesthetically pleasing? What is easier ,
> > using numbers
> > or letters?

Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:08:52 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Phil Berry" <mrtony8@mchsi.com>
To: <bluebirdbob@hotmail.com>, <Bluebird-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: Numbering nesting boxes

I may as well weigh in on the numbering system. first let me say that no matter what method I prefer, my wife doesn't like it....... I number mine the way our school district numbers the school buses. The first bus bought each year is #1, along with year, so first one of 1999 would be 99-01, etc. Since I add boxes each year, and move them around, it works well for me, just add the new boxes each spring. So we have: 99-01 through 99-10 (or whatever ending number is)
00-01 through ditto
02-01 through 02-20
This also is an aid in reminding me of the age of the box. I don't have t o guess, or look up records, the "birthday" is on the box.  Phil Berry Gulf Breeze,Florida 

-------Original Message-------
From: bluebirdbob@hotmail.com
Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:30:41 AM
To: Bluebird-L@cornell.edu
Subject: Numbering nesting boxes

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From: "Larry A Broadbent" <rockets@mnsi.net>
To: <bluebird-l@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:56:12 -0400

John Schuster's method on how he numbers his Bluebird boxes on his trails is an excellent one. Using the computer and making a print out will be very useful. Thanks John for sharing this excellent idea with us on this list. I'll likely adopt this method or a slight variation of it for my own projects.

Regards,
Larry A Broadbent
Chatham, Ontario

----- Original Message -----
From: John Schuster
Cc: Bluebird Messages
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: suggestions for Numbering boxes?

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From: "d.rohde" <d.rohde@attbi.com>
To: "BLUEBIRD-L" <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>
Subject: Fw: Computer model: Tell us how it works John?
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:52:27 -0500

For those of you who want to computer map your trail(s) but aren't into freehand computer drawing, there are plenty of cheap (some less than $20 & a few less than $10) pc mapping programs. (Amazon lists 58 mapping programs). I bought one "off the rack" at a CompUSA for $6.99. I zoom in on my region, bring up a complete map of my area and with a single click add a symbol for each nestbox and then enter text identifying the box number, etc. Many include latitude and longitude, valuable if you enter nestbox info in TBN.

Doug
Highland Village, Texas

Bluebirds Across Texas ... one nestbox at at time

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schuster" <wildwingco@earthlink.net>
To: "BLUEBIRD CORNELL" <BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:05 PM
Subject: Computer model: Tell us how it works John?

Dear Friends,

I haven't receive so much accolades about this computer model thing since I first leaned how to tie my own shoelaces. Come to think of it I'm still having trouble keeping them tied (I guess I'll never really grown up.) I'm still a kid inside and will always look at nature with a child's eyes.

By the way, before I get into the computer model stuff I want to share something that I saw a couple of weeks ago. While patrolling our Cloverdale vineyard (remember the vandals), I saw a life and death struggle between an Osprey and a Bald Eagle.

They flew right over my head (about 40 feet), with the Bald Eagle underneath getting the worst of what the Osprey could dish out. We never bother the river area and I've had nesting Osprey down there for year. My guess is that the Bald Eagle was looking to kill a baby Osprey for a easy meal.

Well, it didn't work out for Bald Eagle. He got his S--- kicked out of him with desperate flapping wings, blood curdling screams and feathers flying everywhere from one end of the valley all the way over to the other side where I lost sight of them both (about 6 miles away.) What a site and I wish ALL OF YOU could have been there for that one! Wow!

Back to the computer model (would rather watch mold grow.)

So you want to know how it works do you? Well, I'm not going to tell you!@#$?%&*!#?

Just kidding.

Unfortunately and I'm just assuming (because I've noticed) that most of you have PC computers. While I'm not going to knock the PC platform (great for business), MACs do have some advantages in the arts. The most basic MAC computers come with a word processor and graphics program called Apple Works 6. If you have a MAC I can help you, if you have a PC....well....

Enter the DRAW PROGRAM OF APPLE WORKS 6. Its just a simple little program, but it can freehand, draw and do type set very well and that is what I use. I go into great detail sometimes or I just give it a KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid.)

You know what the piano teacher once said, "Practice makes perfect Johnny" (man did I ever hate piano lessons) so try hammering it out yourself. However, if you get stuck just send me an e-mail and I'll do my best to walk you through it. If you get in trouble though, just hit and hold the FILE icon (located in the upper left corner) then drag to QUIT at the bottom and release the mouse. Then hit DON'T SAVE and start all over again.

Until we meet again....

Happy Bluebird Trails To You,
John Schuster, Conservationist and Owner
Wild Wing Company
Bio-Diversity Products
1179 Debbie Hill Road
Cotati, California 94931
PH: (707) 795-4440
E-mail: wildwingco@earthlink.net

From: "Michael Wheatley" <sialia@cyberdude.com>
To: BLUEBIRD-L@cornell.edu
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 20:42:14 +0800
Subject: numbering boxes

As an MIS Administrator and APICS certified, I can assure all that meaningful numbering systems nearly always back-fire. Name your trails then ID the boxes sequentially.

If using letters, use all letters and the same with numbers. If you think that you may have up to 100 boxes, use a 4 character fixed length numberic ID. You can then increase the quantity by a factor of if numeric, and 26 if lettering. This will also make things easier for computerizing your records. If a single exception occurs in a meaningful system, the entire system is void; remember things change. Trust me, I have seen it happen more than once.

Mike in NW OH

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